In this tutorial on vocal riser effects, Chris Lake switches from Logic Pro to Ableton because "I'm an absolute Logic novice... this technique will take me a very short amount of time in Ableton, but it'll take me forever in Logic". Chris has also mentioned his own use of Live in a discussion with Dancing Astronaut, found here: http://www.dancingastronaut.com/2014/03/da-studios-chris-lakes-top-5-tips-for-aspiring-producers/slide/2/more
Datsik performs live using Ableton. He says "I have the DJM-900 MIDI mapped in Ableton, so, I just hit the 2 buttons on and then I remap the effects so I can use my own fx out of Ableton directly off the mixer." In another interview he says "...I do DJ with Ableton which allows me to change up my set and it works really well for changing up entire performance or doing stuff on the fly."more
While it is not his *primary* production software, Kaskade makes good use of Ableton Live. When asked how he uses it: "I have been using it a lot to develop beat templates and textures for my songs. The power and flexibility are amazing; it keeps me entertained and creative while I am on the road. I have it loaded on my laptop so instead of solitaire I make beats." What he likes most about it: "Power and flexibility; I don't spend a lot of time fighting with the interface. I can get ideas out quickly, and that makes the whole creation process more pleasant."more
"Live has changed the way we work. It's such an inspiration in the studio and onstage. We fill a sequence with our loops, tracks and samples; then we play around, and every time it comes up trumps! You can get things to fit like no other sequencer can, because the instant, on-the-fly time-stretching is amazing. You can alter a loop with ease in so many ways - instantly. We use it as an instrument as well as a sequencer. You can make the maddest loops out of any audio. Live has revolutionized our live performances. We now have the option of playing audio at any BPM and at any pitch, so mixing our more mellow 100 BPM tracks into the 135 [BPM] fat breakbeat tracks is a piece of cake. At our last show in Tokyo, I used Live for playing loops and songs while DJing in front of 28,000 Japanese kids in one hall going crazy. Then Underworld played using Live on two PowerBooks with another two running Logic, and the place went bonkers."more
In a two-page spread [image](https://digitaldj.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/inside-the-pyramid-daft-punks-live-gear/) pulled from Mixmag, Thomas Bangalter says about Daft Punk live shows, "The show revolves around Ableton Live software on custom made super-computers which we remotely access and control with [Behringer BCR2000 MIDI controllers](http://equipboard.com/items/behringer-bcr2000-midi-controller)." In an exclusive interview with [Ableton](https://www.ableton.com/en/pages/artists/daft_punk/), Thomas Bangalter says, "The rule is: There are no rules. That is definitely the case for the freeform piece of software that is Live." Thomas Bangalter also turns to Ableton when he's looking for sonic warmth. "One of the things I prefer in Live is the proprietary Ableton effects plug-ins. They are amongst the warmest software effects. Sometimes I will import a Pro Tools track in Live, just to bounce it down with Ableton effects, to make it sound warmer and crisper, or dirty — I love dirt. I'm not a big ReWire fan, so I do it the old-school way, importing and exporting the sound files."more
Carl Cox talking about why Ableton is his DAW of choice for producing: "I’m making music on the move - I'm on the move all the time, as you can imagine. So I’m using Ableton Live to basically make music when I’m sat on a plane, or wherever, really. I’ll be sat in a hotel room on my own and have these little ideas in my head. Ableton gives me that freedom to make music when the mood takes me. It’s definitely the program to use, because you can create basslines and chord structures, just from the QWERTY keys." "So, for me, that is quite cool as you don't need an external keyboard to play synths and that. A high-powered Apple Mac computer and Ableton Live is a match made in heaven for me. I just put the headphones in and rock the house."more
I use it as much as Logic. I prefer it for the “sample based tracks”, those really club oriented. I consider it a more creative tool than Logic but less able to manage the mix and the external recordings.
A-Trak goes into detail about how he produced the track "Pro Nails." Before finding out about Logic as his main DAW, A-Trak experimented with Ableton. He says, "I already had Ableton Live on my computer, since I was using it for live looping in some of my more experimental sets. I used to use it as a looping pedal, feeding scratches into it and creating beats on the fly with the Session view. So I explored the Arrange window some more. I liked how quickly you could sketch out ideas but I wasn’t crazy about the sound and didn’t have enough soft-synths to really get what I needed out of it. I tried Reason. That gave me a bunch of synths and drum machines, but I wasn’t feeling the MIDI and felt like I still needed some audio tracks. So I decided to ReWire the 2. I used Ableton as a sequencer (where I could add some audio tracks if I wanted), and Reason ran the synths and drum machines."more
Use this for all mix tapes and for stretching Vocals!
A Vine video clip of a Julian Calor studio session shows him using Ableton Live as his DAW. A photo he posted to Facebook also shows a screenshot of one of his sessions in Ableton: https://www.facebook.com/JulianCalor/photos/a.500622299990030.121343.481936598525267/500622303323363/?type=1more
The best solution for getting the right groove
In this video you can see Richie Hawtin talking about some stuff going into his live setup and around 10:10 into the video he says he uses Ableton Live 9 in his live shows for drum machines. During the video you can also see that he has an Ableton Push in the setup and Push works only with Live 9 (well, unless manually remapped as a basic midi controller)more
Question asked to him on Twitter, "When you make your set up, is your microphones part of your DAW or is it separate? What is your favorite midi controller?" Robert's response: "I run my mics to both of my computers through my interface and into logic and ableton. I love my @DJTechTools midi fighter"more
In this [Reddit Thread](http://www.reddit.com/r/listentothis/comments/2j57ak/heyyy_bonobo_here_ready_for_this_here_ama/) interview, Bonobo states that everything he did before was analog. He used Logic for years and recently switched to Ableton. It didn't state which exact version he's using, but it's most likely the latest version (Ableton Live 9). "Its varied over time. When I Started out, everything was analog. I made my first two records on Akai samplers, and an Atari ST running Cubase. I was on logic for years and now recently switched to Ableton."more
“I switch between Logic and occasionally Cubase or Ableton depending on the studio I’m working in. I tend to create ideas in Logic while in transit and then use Cubase when it comes to mixing down back in the studio in LA. Ableton is great for timestretching, changing pitch or making shorter edits of tracks people have sent me.”more
Moguai posts a photo of his studio gear, showing him producing in front of his computer. He indicates he is not loyal to just one particular DAW, since he switches between FL, Ableton Live, and Logic. Here is his quote: "From FL Studio straight back to Abelton. YES, I prefer Abelton, but I love to switch... also to Logic. At the end, it's all about the production, not the DAW!!!"more
In this photo posted by Noisestorm on Instagram, it is readily apparent that he uses Ableton to produce his tracks. Based on the fact that the photo was released in 2013, and that the "Upload to SoundCloud" option was placed in a different spot in the Export menu in Live 8 than appears here, it's likely Noisestorm is using Live 9.more
"Unfortunately, I am yet another of those electronic musicians who is working on Ableton. When it first came out, I was still using Cubase, but I tried Ableton and was seduced by how easy it was to use for the live shows. Cubase has a better sound, but Ableton seems to glue the music together much better and it's also a lot more funky. It's easy to bend the music in Ableton. If you have several loops going, you can do a lot more improvising. It doesn't tie you down like other platforms.more
0:20 into this video interview "Paper Diamond on Ableton, TouchOS and mixing techniques", he mentions that he uses Ableton Live for producing. He says, "I use Ableton in the studio a lot now. I was the one time sponsored by Pro Tools. Sometimes I start a beat on like the MPC and run it in there..." Given the recency of this video, it's likely that he's using Ableton Live 9.more
On the [Rootkit Facebook page](https://www.facebook.com/Rootkitmusic/photos/a.365779793471127.76494.279642475418193/746911038691332/?type=1&reply_comment_id=747244035324699&total_comments=1), when asked if the DAW in the picture is Bitwig, Rootkit responds "ableton live 9 with the disco skin".more
These audio files that Case and Point took a picture of and posted on Facebook have been loaded into Ableton Live (due to the recency of the photo, most likely version 9). The colored bars on top, location of the text, and color scheme of the waveform are indicative of Ableton Live.more
I use Ableton for the creation of new Loop or Vocal Cutting stuff. It's fast and workflow is awesome on this DAW
Budding film score composers, take note: Martinez uses software synths like Omnisphere and u-he, arranging in Ableton Live, but calls himself a preset guy. Q:And did you self-teach Ableton Live? "I'm pretty much a self-taught knucklehead. I have to read the manual—I know that's archaic. I use all this complex software at a pretty primitive level. I use a lot of presets. But you know, a lot of the synthesis principles are the same no matter what plug-in you open."more
> I use Ableton Live and Reason synchronized together though ReWire. It allows me to improvise more than just triggering loops in Ableton like every average, lazy-ass pseudo-performer is doing nowadays. It’s difficult to improvise, and to actually do something live. The key is to take risks, to add new ideas every time, and to learn stuff from the show–not just to “do the job.more
The signal goes from the Parker's hex pickup to the VG-99 to a DOD Passive Mixer, which splits the direct guitar out from the VG-99 to a Zoom G3 (used for auto wah), a laptop with Guitar Rig Mobile Interface with programmed sounds controlled by a Roland FC-300 and Ableton Live controlled by a Keith McMillan SoftStepmore
“In the Ellie Goulding live show every member of the band plays either keyboards or sample pads or both, so there is a lot of MIDI coming from the stage at any one time...I have two systems offstage receiving this MIDI via the [MIDI Solutions M8](http://equipboard.com/items/midi-solutions-m8-8-input-midi-merger)—one running Mainstage, which handles the keyboards, and one running Ableton Live to handle the drum triggers, sample pads and track. While this rig lives offstage, during the show it is operated entirely by the band onstage via their instruments so they retain complete control of the show.” - Ellie's backline tech/MIDI [Will Sanderson](http://www.mixonline.com/news/tours/all-access-ellie-goulding/368299). The date of this article leads me to believe he was referring to Ableton Live 9.more
The Horrors are well-known users of Ableton Live . Tom Furse, the synth man, told Ableton: "A running joke in our band is that I always seem to have my headphones on; that's because I'm always using Live. When I have to work with other engineers and programs the requests I make are often met with a quizzical look, and we always end up going back to Live eventually for something. Its integrated pitch-shifting and time stretching features are second to none and its ease of use and streamlining mean it's always very easy to get your ideas down quickly. It offers new sound possibilities and is constantly offering up new ways of working with sound."more
I try to keep the music as natural as I can, with as little editing or over-processing as possible. A lot of the melodic parts are all synth jams that I created using my Roland Juno-6, a Roland SH-101 and the Yamaha QY700 sequencer before I gradually started tracking into Ableton and putting percussive elements on top.more
The DAW # 1! I also give tuition on it. BADASS!
Beatport: And your sequencer/DAW of choice? Jaytech: "I’ve been using Ableton Live for a number of years now. Before that I was a Logic guy, and I still have a lot of respect for the Logic working environment, especially with the new improvements version 8 has brought. At the end of the day though, I feel I can achieve results quicker and more efficiently in Ableton as the interface is better suited to working on a laptop, and you can edit and manipulate sound incredibly quickly as well."more
In an interview with Red Bull Music academy, when asked what software he uses for producing, Yung Gud says he started out with [Apple Garage Band](http://equipboard.com/items/apple-garage-band), but as of mid-2014 he uses Ableton Live 9. He says, "Ableton Live 9. It stuck with me, or I stuck with it. I’m updated as fuck." The original interview can be found [here](http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/magazine/yung-gud-interview).more
In this article from XLR8R Jason states: "Ableton is really mindful of its aesthetics and for some reason I was really drawn to that. I had used Logic to write the first EP and at the same time I was using Ableton to perform, and as Live developed, I was getting tired of bouncing all my stems from Logic to Ableton. Ableton seemed to be focusing more on creation than just sound. I was really drawn to that and switched over right when I began writing the first album." You can also see Ableton on his screen in several pictures from his studio.more
Says of his live sets "It’s an Ableton [Live] system at the core of it", and more recently [has started using it to write](http:///districtmagazine.ie/feature/jon-hopkins-on-djing-his-new-album-and-changing-up-production-styles/): "[Logic is] like working in a very small courtyard, whereas Ableton is like this big massive playing field. It’s almost as if you can’t see the boundaries. If anything, it’s almost too much choice because almost anything you can imagine is possible. I’ve been using it to perform for years, but I’ve only learnt to create music with it in the past year and a half. You can go infinitely deep with it, it’s like a new instrument really."more
“I like to keep things simple in the live set-up. I use a [Mac](http://equipboard.com/items/apple-macbook-pro) with Ableton Live and a [Behringer BCR2000 midi controller](http://equipboard.com/items/behringer-bcr2000-midi-controller). I also use a [Pioneer DJM](http://equipboard.com/items/pioneer-djm-900-nexus-mixer) mixer for EQs and effects. I use the [Nord Lead](http://equipboard.com/items/nord-stage-2) keyboard to play piano and synth sounds during the set. And of course there's a mic for Irfane. It’s quite a tricky thing to do, we remix everything and try to make it sound different but still as good as if you were listening to the actual record.” [Breakbot](http://djmag.com/node/35879).more
Décembre 2015 // December 2015 – 0:44 - 1:05 "En concert j'utilise Ableton Live qui est piloté par le SL-Mk II (NOVATION) et le Launchpad Pro (NOVATION) qui est un hub qui va me permettre de piloter plusieurs synthés dont un Bass Station (NOVATION), un Tetra (DAVE SMITH INSTRUMENTS), un VERMONA [Mono Lancet]" => "In concert, I use Ableton Live which is controlled by the SL Mk II (NOVATION) and the Launchpad Pro (NOVATION). The Launchpad allows me to control several synths : the Bass Station (NOVATION), the Tetra (DAVE SMITH INSTRUMENTS), the VERMONA [Mono Lancet]"more
Jean-Claude Risset - "Voilements" pour saxophone ténor et bande Valentin Conus - Tenor saxophone http://valentinconus.com Digitizmir 2015, ?zmir, Turkey A few seconds in (and throughout the rest of the video), an laptop can be seen with Ableton Live. At 2:50, Jean-Claude Risset can be seen preparing in front of an Akai APC40. Valentin Conus starts performing with Tenor saxophone. At 4:08 (and throughout the rest of the video) Jean-Claude Risset can be using the Akai APC40 to accompany Valentin Conus.more
in this picture you can see Ableton Live 9 running on his monitor. how you know it's Ableton? because it's obviously Ableton in the background and because he commented that it's Ableton. how do you know it's 9? because you can see the names of the folders if you look closely to the left while in 1-8 the folders didn't show the names but only the icons.more
Goldfish replies to a user on Twitter who asks what DAW they would recommend for an aspiring EDM producer. They say, "Ableton live for sure!" On various Instagram photos such as [this one](https://instagram.com/p/z7LxmrxEtv/?taken-by=goldfishlive), it can be seen that they themselves use Ableton Live to produce.more
"We record a lot of long audio tracks—and one of the specificities of our music is that it reveals itself with the edits. The projects end up very heavy, and require a lot of listening time, to sort and select the recorded material. Ableton offers all we need in terms of edit, and the Push affords us complete control over our sequences. Then, at the very end of the process for each of our EPs and episodes, we head towards the studio to make the final analog summing on a Euphonix mixer."more
"RC: I’m definitely more productive when I have a small, but concentrated setup. It might not feel as glamorous or fun when I’m making music, but I’ve learned to kind of get over that and try to look at the whole work, and have my fun in different ways. I’ve had some pretty ridiculous set ups over the years. **My music lives and dies in the DAW, Ableton Live being my choice. I embrace it as a tool. I simply couldn’t do what I do without spending most of my time there. Ableton in particular has a lot of technical and creative sides that I just couldn’t do in other software quickly. I tend to use very large and complicated effect and processing chains, but Ableton lets me keep them all on one channel with parallel processing, etc.** Then I can just drag that track/group of tracks/preset/song to my personal library and save it for easy recall later. When my ideas hit, they hit hard, and I need sharp and focused tools to get the detail I like quickly."more
My friend Bradford Cox of Deerhunter was the first one to mention it. We went on tour together and we’d talk about how I used to use a cassette eight-track and that was essentially how I’d learned to record music and it was my favourite thing to use. I’d been using Cubase and he said I should really try Ableton - that coming from a four-track/eight-track mindset you could use it that way, and it was easy to use. It was on his advice that I started using it.”more
For us, Ableton is just a recording machine. We use the compression, the EQ and the Drum Rack, but most of our sounds come from third-party software. I hope that doesn't sound like I'm complaining about Ableton… it's fantastic. I can't really think of one problem we have with it. OK, maybe the individual elements on the production side could be fine-tuned, but you have to be careful that you're not trying to search for perfection.more
"I tend to not be as much of a purist about using hardware over plug-ins and instead try to combine the best of both worlds. VSTs that attempt to mimic the personality of an old synth can seem kind of beside the point when there’s a ton of plug-ins out there that do really cool stuff that you can’t find in the old garb. **When I work from home, it's exclusively on Ableton**, and I do one instrument at a time on my Apollo 8. There’s a rotating cast of synths I take out of storage to use on specific projects. After a few years of collecting, I realized I worked better with limitations. Paring it down to only a few instruments per record makes you develop a better relationship with what’s actually there, and forces you to get the most of out it. For a long while it was my Memorymoog, Minimoog, and Korg PS-3100. Combined, they comprised about three quarters of everything you hear on Vega Intl. Night School. I’m currently hashing out the new rig for what I’m working on next."more
In this article, St. Vincent's keyboard player mentiones that he uses Ableton during live shows. "Listening to the sonically dense albums Strange Mercy and St. Vincent, for which Mintseris has been a part of the touring band, it’s easy to imagine the difficulty in translating these sounds into a live setting. Mintseris gives much of the credit to Ableton Live, which he began using from its first version. “In my experience, Ableton has made everything pretty seamless and stable since day one. The only time anything has ever gone wrong is from human error.” In Ableton, Mintseris loads several racks of virtual instruments, including Arturia MiniMoog, GForce Virtual String Machine, and a newer analog modeled synth called Diva by U-He. He also adds a rack of Reason synths, and sounds he has sampled with Ableton, like Clark’s guitar. By creating an individual Ableton “set” for each song, he can group the sounds he needs and assign them to different octaves of his keyboard controller however he sees fit. “I just try to figure out which limb is most available and go from there,” he says. Mintseris also wrote a script for Ableton that enables it to change the set of instruments and effects when the song is done, without him having to touch the computer. During each song, he’ll switch his synth effects and patches manually, or rely on pre-programmed automation within Ableton when he doesn’t have the human bandwidth to do it all. If the band feels like extending a section of a song, Mintseris can loop the automation with his pedals, keeping the current effects going."more
In this Instagram video, uploaded by Hippie Sabotage, you can see that Ableton Live 9 is being used (for Music Production purposes) right behind one of the members of Hippie Sabotage (This video is still too blurry, I couldn´t find another source with better overall quality, so you are totally capable of replacing the source if you find a better one)more
Proof in interview on GQ Magazine's website; Quote: Keep up with technology "The very nature of discourse on the internet is that you're black or white. I'm not going to get into the political stuff but there is absurd s*** on either side. The same with the issue of downloading - you're either a luddite who thinks everything should revert back to the Stone Age or you think there should be no copyright for anything ever for the rest of time. The last interviewer said to me, 'I know you're a purist but would you ever consider incorporating anything other than a turntable into your live set?' I'm not anti-technology. I used CDJs in 2002. I used the very first prototype DVJs in 2004. I used [DJ software] Serato when it first came out in 2006 and I use Ableton now. What I'm trying to articulate is a middle ground."more
"I like to play fun tunes and keep it pretty upbeat. I use Ableton and what I do is essentially DJing, but it's a lot different to using decks I think. There's stuff I can do in Ableton really easily that can't be done on CDJ's, so I guess that makes my sets a bit more versatile and engaging."more
When I started making electronic music I was mainly using software like Cakewalk, Impulse Tracker, Rebirth as well as any additional freeware I could find. The first hardware I bought was the Yamaha CS1x and Boss Dr. Sample 202 plus some random FX pedals. My family wasn't exactly rich so I had to work within my limitations. I think this had a lot to do with how I approach making music to this day. Now I still have a quite simple set-up using a Macbook Pro running Ableton Live and some MIDI Controllers. I don't really use many plug-ins apart from a few go-to's like Michael Norris' SoundMagic Spectral plugins and Native Instruments Reaktor + Massive. For the most part I've found that the built-in Ableton plugins are sufficient.more
"Modern music technology aims to break down the barriers between intuitive human expression and the infinite possibilities computers can bring. It’s about creating a freewheeling feedback loop between human and machine – a loop perfectly displayed by Ryo Fujimoto’s incendiary performance on the Japanese streaming platform Dommune."more
"But also it has this thing here, which is "through," "sync" or "aux"––so this thing here gets the MIDI clock from my computer, say Ableton Live, which is the only software I use as a sequencer, and goes into "sync," and I can send the sync signal to all of these machines."more
"So, I started with the different combinations in Ableton. The normal course would be: choose a basis from the 'main' folder and then try to see which samples get along with it. That means that at times, I would audit more than 200 samples in order to choose the 50 that fit. And then, of course, I would do the same with the rhythmic parts.more
This explanation can be found in the article listed above : Have you tried Ableton? "Yeah, I use Ableton for DJ mixes and quick mash ups. I've actually been using it recently to warp a lot of the vocals that I've been getting sent and time stretching them. We're working on some live shows at the moment, so in terms of my DJ setup I'll be using Ableton, especially Ableton Push."more
https://www.reddit.com/r/electronicmusic/comments/3wyulp/hello_i_am_ghastly_ask_me_anything_you_want/ Specifically in answering this comment: WCC96fl 1 point 2 years ago Hey Ghastly! I'm a huge fan of all your work and have been following you, Jauz, and Fawks for awhile now. I mention them because you guys generally seem to have the same kinda style, which I really dig and try to base my own production around. Anyway! My question's How long have you been producing for? How many hours a day/how many days did you produce for before you considered your work good enough to upload? (if that make sense, saying this because I produce, probably like everyone else on this subreddit, and feel like my stuff is never good enough to upload). Did you ever lose motivation and think about giving up? What are your favorite vst's and preferred daw? permalinkembedsavegive gold [–]OfficialGhastly[S] 3 points 2 years ago 6 years its different for every song but all music is worth uploading Of course every day SERUM x ABLETON = YEP permalinkembedsaveparentgive goldmore
What’s the best new bit of DJ/production technology, and why? “The slice to MIDI function on Ableton 9 is my new favourite.” _________________________________________________________ Second Source : https://youtu.be/y-dKtMt3sF4?t=147 Ableton can be seen running inside Vintage Culture´s Macbook many times during the videomore
"Had a great time on stage today. So happy my setup finally works flawlessly. Used to run RME Octapres -> 2 x Apollo 16 -> Mac mini -> **Ableton -> Maxforlive** plugz and i got major glitch crap. Now i swapped the Apollo's for Ferrofish converters via madi and all is good under the hood."more
Ableton is just perfect for me. It doesn't crash too often, almost everything inside Ableton is unlimited which makes it really good. It makes me feel like nothing is going to stop me from producing a track like MIDI tracks or Mixer inserts. If you don't use it, I would highly recommend you to check it out!
I migrated from Apple Logic 8 and was initially skeptical.
Main thing that dawned on me whilst playing around and learning the software was the sound clarity/quality, particularly the bottom end on the sound. After this was how powerful Live is using and working with audio. Mere fact I could quantize audio absolutely blew my mind being such a life long fan of Apple Logic (since the Emagic day, or pre-Apple era for those that don't know).
All in all, Ableton is rock solid, sounds amazing and is such a raw and powerful DAW to work in. Been a pleasure and has accelerated my production level two-fold. This is probably down to the fact I'm spending less time tweaking and more time 'producing' and being creative!
I use Ableton Live as my main DAW. Is not only easy and intuitive to use, but also great with automations, so I can focus on the creating process rather than thinking on how much time a particular process will take me to do. Effective and effortless. The options are endless.
Ableton Live 9 is a simple, yet very sufficient Digital Audio Workstation. It offers a huge amount of options and is very user friendly. Very easy to use. Would recommend it over any other DAW out there (Cubase, FL Studio, Pro Tools, Reason etc..)
Ableton Live to me is the best DAW around because you can do live performance and recording in the same software suite. It also lets you see both simultaneously split screen in version 9, also audio to MIDI conversion. Everything you can do in Session View you can do in Arrangement view and vice versa, so if you ever want to swap between the two it's easy to follow. Clear, concise UI...
I own studio one 2 as well, but I keep coming back to this. I love this DAW, and it's great for anything digital. Even though s1 is great for the acoustic side when you're not using any plugins, this + a few kontakt instruments is fine, plus, if I ever plan on doing a live set, ableton has me covered. Crashes sometimes, but runs VSTs very well. Best, easiest to use, sampler as well.