UPDATE: Dave is stumped. I also searched group DIY's ADR schematic archive but there's nothing that predates the scamp rack. If you need to service a compex though, I can get you schematics for every version.
I returned to the R/E/P forum thread and discovered even more info, including dead links to pictures(!).
phantom309, April 4, 2007
A&DR didn't must just make compressors and Eq's. We have Flanger (can be seen on the audities.org website) and an "Auto Phasor" that was a perf boarded prototype designed by Swettenham. LDR circuits in that one. The only recording I know of that uses it is 10cc's "Clockwork Creep" on "Sheetmusic" where Lol Creme sings the jet's part of the dialog with the bomb on board. Cool tune.
I have some A&DR history notes around here somewhere, but I'm having a hard time finding it....I'll post it if I can. One thing for sure, it wasn't only Helios gear that got products from them. I have seen a few compressors installed in Neve desks. I know that they got a lot of their design advice from Swettenham, but it wasn't an exclusive relationship.
Arny, April 5, 2007, 10:59:09 AM
I am putting together the A & D (Recording) Story, but I need a little time to go through my Archives,
I should have this together before the weekend.
I am just writing to say that, I am grateful for your interest in this company, "Many Thanks" I shall enjoy putting the story together for you and sharing some nice memorabilia with you.
The one thing I will point out is: Dick Swettenham, never helped with any of the ideas or designs that came out of A & D.
phantom309, April 5, 2007, 11:02:23 AM
While I'm convinced that most of the ADR designs were not Dick's work, this Auto Phasor has his initials on the circuit board. Could this just indicate that he WORKED on it for 10cc? Again, this is all turret board and perf board constructed. Alas, we have NO schematic for it. [Dead Image]
phantom308, April 5, 2007, 12:04:11 PM
The A&DR guy was Mike Beville.
Arny, April 5, 2007, 04:34:46 PM
Yes Mike was one of the directors of three, when the company added (Recording) in brackets after its name in 1967, but before this part in brackets, was added to the name, it was just called Audio & Design which was started during the earlier 60’s.
A lot had happened before Mike Beville came on the scene, […]
[…] That is why I can assure you that Dick Swettenham never put any ideas forward, although Dick as we all know, was more than capable, but not in the case of A & D. because it is a Phaser, there must be a reason why you connect it to ADR ?,
also could you tell me what the initials are or say.
Dick was also very fond of copying as well as inventing, because he was not able to fit a Guitar Players floor Phaser or Flanger into his desk he would reverse engineer this unit, and fit it into vertical metalwork to interface with a Consul, he was great he would do anything to help a fellow musician I did this for Robert Fripp, so he could have all of his germanium floor pedals which was in a Pete Cornish board, raised to shoulder height in a rack. Robert ended up with 16 units in a rack, with a cable going to the Push-Buttons, nothing worse than bending over to adjust something on the floor while holding a Les Paul round your shoulder.
phantom309, April 5, 2007, 05:38:07 PM
The phasor has NO other writing of it other than, DS on a little white label on the perf board. The reason I assumed that it was ADR is because of a conversation I had with Mike. He talked quite a bit about Dick and was helpful with the ADR Flanger that we have...apparently, quite a rare critter. He now lives on in the Northwest US. Also, the 10cc article in SOS mentions the ADR bits in the left wing. Heck, maybe this is a prototype that Dick put together....that would suit me just fine. It's a crazy sounding thing!
Eric sent me a photo today of the first 8 channel, black Heilos that was used for the first 10cc album and "Sheetmusic". In the left hand corner you can see the E800 eq's and a pair of 700 comps. This would be 1971. I'll post it on the Helios thread if I get his permission to do so. VERY unusual looking desk.
Arny, April 6, 2007
Dick only allowed being called this title, but only by his closest friends, to call someone by the word "Dick" itself is an insult, because of this, he always wished to be known as Richard.
Hence :
"Richard Swettenham Associates",
I admit we do call him Dick, but only because we couple it with the word Swettenham, "Dick Swettenham" does not sound so bad as just "Dick".
The reason I asked what exactly is written on this sticker is because he would never place a "Passed by Sticker" on one of his PCB's with "DS" written on it, only "RS" that you can be sure of.
It is either a forgery or someone else’s sticker.
Arny, April 8, 2007, 03:05:27 PM
Here is the early ADR Vertical Phasor. [Dead Image]
Arny, April 8, 2007, 04:20:25 PM
Here is the Drawmer 200 Gate that I spoke about, note the ADR Phaser.
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phantom308, April 9, 2007
Mystery solved.
I haven't taken the pics yet, but I took both the Flanger and the Auto Phaser out today and they have identical cards(#968) inside....made by Carl Countryman in 1972. The Flanger has 2 of them, the Phaser has one plus a perf board of unknown function. No name on the phasor, RS (not DS) label on the Flanger,
Countryman 1972 etched in the PCB
phantom308, April 10, 2007, 02:26:45 PM
Cross posted by request from the Helios thread:
RSM F700 by A&DR, AutoPhaser and Flanger by Countryman/A&DR...inspected by RS?
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phantom308, April 10, 2007, 03:05:38 PM
This is a shot of the first 16 channel/eight bus Strawberry Studios desk sent to me by Eric Stewart. It was NOT a Helios, but rather an Audio & Design (Recording) console. Pete Tattersal and Eric were none to fond of the eq/mic pre's supplied with the desk and had early Helios/Island black modules installed instead. Note the A&DR comps and EQ's in the left side. 1st two 10cc records recorded on this one, the success of which paid for the Red Strawberry desk.
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phantom308, April 12, 2007
I asked Eric Stewart to clarify this a little further and this was his response:
|Hi Again,
| I say Hybrid because that's exactly
| what it was, we had this desk built by a friend of
| Mike Beville's ( Audio and Design maker ) and we
| gradually put bits of Dicks stuff in there after being
| disappointed with the original cheap mike/line amps,
| and moving up from the 4 track Ampex. to an 8 track
| Scully.
| I had met Dick at Olympic studios many times, usually
| crawling out of the back of one of the desks there,
| and we became friends.
| I remember Kieth Grant too, her was a really nice guy,
| very enthusiastic about Olympic of course.
| After letting us have (buy) all these bits for the
| hybrid, he eventually built the Strawberry Red Helios
| Wraparound console to my own spec.
| I remember him telling me in the late '60's that we
| would eventually be recording onto computers. I didn't
| believe him at the time but..........the rest is
| history.
| Bonsoire, Eric.
|