Just something I was fiddling with earlier

'proper monitoring equipment'

unless you are mixing in a purpose built room or one that has been carefully treated with corner traps, diffusers and maybe auralex on the ceiling if the ceiling is low then even the same pair of monitors Whorse is using will present differently in his room then in yours.... too much emphasis is placed on speaker selection by young guys, scientifically your mix environment is way more important than your playback system, even something as simple as speaker positioning has a more drastic effect on how you mix then choosing NS10s over some 3 way Ureis

in short, we're never going to hear the exact same things unless we all get together in the same room to listen together, plus we have different ears and brains so who knows what will poke out at each of us

I had some revelatory experiences as a young buck watching some really amazing engineers dial up incredible sounding mixes on some ghetto speakers in untreated home studios that translated incredibly well to EVERY system I checked them on... since then I've had a real 'it just doesn't matter' mentality and have striven to be able to give a track a good balance whether I have a fancy control room with lots of monitoring options, an SSL and tons of great outboard gear or I am listening quietly on some prosumer direct fieldsand just using the native plugins that come with fruityloops.

I loathe headphones for mixing and you're the only professional I talk to who uses them for anything but a check of special stereo effects. Then again you're the only electronic musician I talk to, everyone else I know is recording live music which is what I learned on. Is it that headphones are a DJ tthing?

'proper monitoring equipment'

unless you are mixing in a purpose built room or one that has been carefully treated with corner traps, diffusers and maybe auralex on the ceiling if the ceiling is low then even the same pair of monitors Whorse is using will present differently in his room then in yours.... too much emphasis is placed on speaker selection by young guys, scientifically your mix environment is way more important than your playback system, even something as simple as speaker positioning has a more drastic effect on how you mix then choosing NS10s over some 3 way Ureis

in short, we're never going to hear the exact same things unless we all get together in the same room to listen together, plus we have different ears and brains so who knows what will poke out at each of us

I had some revelatory experiences as a young buck watching some really amazing engineers dial up incredible sounding mixes on some ghetto speakers in untreated home studios that translated incredibly well to EVERY system I checked them on... since then I've had a real 'it just doesn't matter' mentality and have striven to be able to give a track a good balance whether I have a fancy control room with lots of monitoring options, an SSL and tons of great outboard gear or I am listening quietly on some prosumer direct fieldsand just using the native plugins that come with fruityloops.

kmon jim all that goes without saying, but all i'm saying is if he had some decent monitors with decent placement, we would probably get a more honest look at his mix, and so would he, you can't deny that. don't encourage him to work on multimedia speakers where the sound is made like 200% wider and "enhanced".

I loathe headphones for mixing and you're the only professional I talk to who uses them for anything but a check of special stereo effects. Then again you're the only electronic musician I talk to, everyone else I know is recording live music which is what I learned on. Is it that headphones are a DJ tthing?

no not because its a dj thing, thatd be a very shallow reason :) . i'm just curious what headphones have you tried to mix on, and have you truly given them a fair chance.

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going to walk my dog.

I meant DJs are more used to listening critically on headphones already for their live performances than people who, say, perform on stage in a rock band, whoa re used to a blast of stage volume, monitors and cymbal wash....

I'll elaborate and answer your question in detail when I have a sec, got more parenting to do tonight.

I am not knocking headphones or mixing, I just don't know anyone who relies on them for much, but I pretty much know all pop/rock/jazz/classical engineers. I have used my favorite AKG cans to get sounds and check phase on all my mics when doing location gigs, but it was mainly out of nescesity.