A hint on how to reproduce an effect please

Hi gang,

When I hear vocalists start singing (on recordings) and there is a reverb/ delay trail that occurs BEFORE they sing, Is that a dedicated effect, or is it something as simple as copying and pasting the opening words earlier in the bar before they sing, saturating in 100% wet effect and then deleting the original pasted word, just leaving the tail?

It is such a nice effect when done well. I would like to replicate.

I would assume that it isn't a dedicated effect, because I've never heard of it before. I think you're on the right track with copy/paste. I don't really know, thoug, because I don't have a ton of experience.

First you have to find an effect with a female XLR. Take some fret-ease... never mind. This will take too long to unroll.

reverse predelay is a specific effect unique to a few devices with powerful buffering in hardware but was invented by printing any old reverb to a separate track on a recording and nudging it forward.... on tape we did it by printing the reverb to a separate deck and then starting the deck with the reverb track(s) ahead printing to a free track on the master deck and reel

and reverse reverb can be achieved with a few pieces of dedicated hardware but is generally achieved by printing and reversing a reverb send in a recording...

also, know that you can't use 100% wet on a negative predelay reverb, you have to use the internal mixing from the hardware because its actually delaying the dry signal a little to produce the effect of the reverb starting a smidge before the dry signal

Sounds like I've got to fake it again...

this is not complicated stuff... dedicated presets on hardware reverbs are the 'fakes' developed to reproduce studio techniques on tour whereas you just need to treat your DAW as a tape machine and get clever like they sued to in the 80s, 70s, 0s.... well always before computers took the joy out of music production

Yeah, definitely likely easily done with something you already got with your DAW. A quick google search should yield results or let us know what DAW you're using and maybe we can help. I've build a whole ton of stuff in Ableton -like for parallel reverb w/o needing an extra send, etc.

Jim, take heart my man- I still workout the analog tape regularly & is always all patched in for all sorts of wacky and practical stuff. We'll have a sleep over and dork the fuck out.

for reverse reverb I usually just go tape-sleep-over-style even in protools or FL and print a reverb send, reverse the track and then adjust the 'lead' time by ear from a tempo-based starting point, usually about a quarter note or dotted eight ahead of the dry track... I thnk one of my waves reverbs has a reverse mode but why bother? One thing I tried to make reverse reverb even snakier was using a reverse delay patch on a TC or Line 6 unit ahead of the reverb on a send so that what the reverb is hearing has a really mutated volume envelope that gets diffused by the reverb... then, obviously same thing, print the track and reverse... you get a really weird swell and decay ahead of the dry source with the reverse delay trick. If you reverse the dry signal for real its too overt, the simulated reverse mode from a modern digital delay unit is really the way to get a weird undulating reverse reverb effect. I've never heard of anyone else doing a reverse delay patch before actually reversing a reverb track, but I am sure I cannot be the originator of this method.

anyway

Jim is one clever SOB.

you just realized NOW?

Blows my mind on the regular

you ever been working on music with all this modern technology or be watching Netflix or something and reflect on how drastically the world has changed since we were kids? Its actually eliminating the need for cleverness in the arts. Everything's a preset if you can spend enough money.

Take heart-Those who care & develop their talents will always rise...them and a handful of idiots that will quickly be forgotten. The general listening public or even most fans would struggle to name 10 hacks from the 60's, 70's, 80's ok, yeah Milli Vanilli but still.

I wonder what those 2 are up to these days? lip syncing has mae quite a comeback from what I hear, maybe they should do a nostalgia tour!

Ha!

if the tickets were cheap enough and they played a venue with a bar I might go see Milli Vanilli