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Block Donald

Hey guys. After Donald Trump's disgusting comments yesterday, I call on all UK residents to sign this petition. It's viral over here, and the government have apparently promised to review it.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114003

You're not one of those foreigners that say we should be lucky to have Obama... are you!?

OK, kidding, of course you're not. But this seems a little bit ridiculous. Blocking entry into a country for hate speech? Please give me an argument. No blasting, please, this should be semi-objective.

It's less about seriously blocking hi, and more about making a statement. I must say I'm not aware of Obama's wrongdoings, as I am British, Fell free to fill me in.

If we were to enumerate all of them it would probably crash the site, so everyone please show some restraint.

Can I change the name of this thread to "Problems With Obama"? This sounds like it's set to be fun

Perhaps a whole sister-site?

Is Obama care really bad or something?

No idea. I'm just a 17 year old who doesn't have a clue. But since I'm American (well, I live in the US...) the news is full of American politics, which seems to always involve a ton of criticism for everyone all around.

If we were to enumerate all of them it would probably crash the site

Subjectable, but after four years in office, the majority opinion is that President Barrack Obama is not a very good president and that he is ruining this country. I'd fill you in, but I'd rather research the subject first so that I don't give out any lies.

No idea. I'm just a 17 year old who doesn't have a clue.

Excuse me, but bullcrap excuse. Watch the news in the morning, change between news sites, and never watch local news unless you're looking for traffic, weather, and stories about puppies being saved.

But since I'm American (well, I live in the US...) the news is full of American politics, which seems to always involve a ton of criticism for everyone all around.

Agreed, it's kind of disturbing, but at the very least, the national news networks finally turned to Paris, but after that, It's only ISIS. In my honest opinion, they're only string because of the attention. Go thank Anonymous for being the only ones trying to make an effort. They're taking down Twitter accounts, practically destroys a bunch of propaganda, while the U.S. fumbles about with local shootings.

No idea. I'm just a 17 year old who doesn't have a clue.

Excuse me, but bullcrap excuse. Watch the news in the morning, change between news sites...

I guess it depends with what. If going to try to research (and by research I mean reading news etc. I'm not going to write a thesis) a lot of different policies and similar things, I'm going to get from some places that this particular view is brilliant for whatever reason and then I'll go in another site and I'll get a whole write-up about the other view is brilliant for some other reason etc.

It's all usually based on that particular network/site/paper's political leanings and such. And even if you would say; ''read all the different sides and make an informed decision'', on complicated issues there's usually more then meets the eye and a lot more factors to consider than just what the media is giving you.

I've found that hating on people for saying stupid things is much easier, requires less brain function altogether, and seems infinitely cooler. So until I find reason to believe that me knowing anything will change anything, I'll just kind of ignore the stuff that I think require too much thought. Morbid maybe, but I guess that's just a byproduct of our ''glorious country'', and it's ''culture'', and ''society''.

I've found that hating on people for saying stupid things is much easier, requires less brain function altogether, and seems infinitely cooler.

Yes.

So until I find reason to believe that me knowing anything will change anything, I'll just kind of ignore the stuff that I think require too much thought. Morbid maybe, but I guess that's just a byproduct of our ''glorious country'', and it's ''culture'', and ''society''.

No. That's a bad voting mindset. People think they're vote won't make a difference, but it will, and the same applies to your knowledge to the people you talk politics with. Someone who knows their shit and can make a definitive argument and back it with sources is a man in power.

This is not argumentative, but rather a serious question: Will my vote make a difference in major elections if I live in a state which always votes one way? Isn't the fight all about the ''swing states''?

From a British point of view where we are blessed to pay a lil bit of our taxes to the NHS and welfare system do we don't need to worry about health care costs or what happens when we become to ill for wrok etc etc it sounds very good for america, but the american health system is so fucked I think a lot of health insurance providers have actually increased there rates meaning those not entitled pay even more for health care. I personally think that americans should have our system where a small portion of taxes pay for health care so you don't need to worry about medical bills as there just aren't none.

I think an american who knows what its actually like over there will give a far better opinion than I ever could being English haha

Same thing in Britain! where I live theres only one labour council which is west Southampton or what ever its called. In Eastleigh where I live I voted Labour and so did pretty much everyone I spoke to either voted Labour or Libdem, not many Conservative yet the tories got in in Eastleigh for the first time in 20 years. The women who is now our MP don't live in eastleigh but actually just outside of Easteligh, the Libdem MP we did have before her was a local man who was a tran driver, he was execellent, replied to all my questions, invited me to one on one talks about politics and just an amazing politicial but this new bitch hasn't even visited Eastleigh yet and its been 7 months now, she doesn't return any of my emails or anything, fucking useless bitch really! also our government got in on 31% of the votes which translated into 22% of the vote when you include those who did not vote, so how you can form a government on a total of 22% of the vote is just beyond me

Will my vote make a difference in major elections if I live in a state which always votes one way? Isn't the fight all about the ''swing states''?

Technically, no. But socially, yes. I can't remember all the details, but I remember learning this stuff in an American Government course. The problem with Americans now is that they don't think they're votes matter which causes people to either stop voting or vote blind (term was something like straight ballot).

I'm saying a single vote against an overwhelming majority will not matter, but the thing is you represent as well an overwhelming majority that has given up.

Yes, It's argumentative, but in the traditional sense (opposing views, not screaming and interrupting)

EDIT: Voter Apathy, that's the term I'm referring to.

Theres a lot of that in the UK! and also the Scottish feel that England doesn't care about them so instead of voting Labour they voted SNP so almost the whole of Scotland went from voting Labour to the SNP which literally let the Conservatives in and now the UK is under investigation for human rights violations due to how the disabled are being treated etc. Some government we got right?

Subjectable, but after four years in office, the majority opinion is that President Barrack Obama is not a very good president and that he is ruining this country. I'd fill you in, but I'd rather research the subject first so that I don't give out any lies.

I don't know that the majority opinion of my fellow americans (dig the Nixon reference?) means a whole lot.... as a young adult I watched in shock and horror as the majority chose Bush Jr a second time to lead our country into fiscal ruin... even historically you will find that other than FDR most of our most effective presidents, like Lincoln, barely squeaked into office while the real bastards had a clear majority

I doubt Socratese would put the same faith in the opinion of the majority that you do. Then again the majority of Athenian voters decided to execute him for encouraging young people to question the status quo.

Okay, I'm done, I don't usually do politics on the web and everyone else should follow my lead including the OP. This is a guitar site.

GEAR:
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Okay, I'm done, I don't usually do politics on the web and everyone else should follow my lead including the OP. This is a guitar site.

This is, however, a GENERAL forum. You sound like you have more to say. Remember, objective.

You sound like you have more to say. Remember, objective.

I can say it at the poles by voting my conscience. If my goal was to influence others into thinking as I do I would run for office myself or become an activist/lobbyist. All I can say to other Americans is that they need to read. Know your history and the history of the other western democracies and republics that have come before. Its good to think for yourself once you are informed by more than rhetoric. I value my right to my own opinions, but I also respect other people's political opinions (or even their feeling of apathy) and freely admit that I may be wrong. We all have a right to be wrong though. I am disinterested in engaging in a debate that I am likely to win, not on the merits of my position, but through forensic dexterity.... if it doesn't dissolve into bickering first.

The American system is set up so that when the populace as a whole is wrong things can't get too far out of hand. Republics are slow to change by design leaving ample time to make corrections. In some situations this can be an inherent weakness of mixed government (please research the Gracchi, Marius and Sulla as well as Machiavelli's thoughts on Roman agrarian reform even though they run counter to my own).

I will say that a lot of the reaction to Obama by voters in the middle of America's ever-widening political divide is a sense that we made an 'over correction', if you will.... additionally many people on the left feel betrayed by Obama's willingness to compromise in order to get ANYTHING done at all in the face of entrenched opposition. Personally I respect his refusal to resort to extreme political innovation in the style of Gaius Marius or Abraham Lincoln. Pushing forward a much-needed program of reform with strong arm tactics can have unintended consequences down the road. As well-framed as our constitution is compared with the Roman mos maiorum, the way that the supreme court interprets it is heavily influenced by precedent in the Roman legal tradition. A bad innovation in the name of a good cause may later be employed to push an agenda that is not in the interests of the people. Consider the precedent of unlimited dictatorship established by Sulla (who laid down his powers after completing a program of reform, the merits of which are still being debated today) but later used by Caesar and more overtly by Octavian, Antony and Lepidus to establish permanent autocratic rule on a scale unimaginable in our modern world... or just look at Vietnam in which a precedent of presidential authority to engage in small scale military actions was enough to commence a war in all but name without a declaration from congress. One heartening aspect of Bush Jr's presidency was that he did seek a congressional mandate to invade Iraq, though the means he used to obtain it were pretty nefarious.

Anyway, one man's statesmanship is another man's weakness and only posterity can make a final judgement. Until then we must all nourish our (hopefully well-informed) opinions and express them in November. As far as our British friends and their desire to block Donald's entrance to their country? Ask your Queen how she feels, aren't you all answerable to her in theory? Oh wait, you guys don't do that anymore. Well, you're a sovereign antion and you can think for yourselves. Just remember that it was only a century ago that your country was still the world's right-wing, reactionary, imperialist bully. Have some sympathy for the devil when you express your opinions about America. Shit's complicated everywhere my Limey friends.

In the words of the Fat Controller in the Tomica Thomas and Friends fan videos.... "I HAVE SPOKEN!"

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

(please research the Gracchi, Marius and Sulla as well as Machiavelli's thoughts on Roman agrarian reform even though they run counter to my own).

Anything else? I'm an avid reader, but I haven't really delved much into political structure and philosophy.

In the words of the Fat Controller in the Tomica Thomas and Friends fan videos.... "I HAVE SPOKEN!"

Out of curiosity, have you shown your son any of those old-school cartoons from Boomerang, like Tom and Jerry and that lot? Those were good shows.