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https://equipboard.com/items/pre-war-guitars-co-slope-shoulder

`thanks!

`thanks!

Thanks for being the first person to rate & review that same National N720. Every little bit helps :)

Thanks to you and pkennethk! Been on a spree adding some easy-to-identify guitars to some musicians so I appreciate your help!

Thanks to you and pkennethk! Been on a spree adding some easy-to-identify guitars to some musicians so I appreciate your help!

Those were some solid, thorough submissions, @mark_kauzlarich. Many thanks!

Mods can you please add:

Item: Pre-War Guitars Co. Herringbone Link: https://www.pre-warguitars.com/herringbone

Mods can you please add

Item: Pre-War Guitars Co. Dreadnought Link: https://www.pre-warguitars.com/model-d

Note, this is distinct from the previous requests as this is a non-rosewood dreadnought. They differentiate the two by the names I listed.

👍👍 (it's not a great review, but it's a start. 😅)

Mods can you please add:

Item: Pre-War Guitars Co. Herringbone Link: https://www.pre-warguitars.com/herringbone

Pre-War Guitars Co. wants to make sure we're all thoroughly confused by their naming conventions.

They also make a "Herringbone" in 000 and OM sizes... but the OM (configured as a Herringbone?) has the same scale length as the one they're just billing as "Herringbone" without any mention of body size.

I'm not an acoustic guitar expert... but these guys could stand to be a little more consistent with their product naming. I'm sure they're a nice bunch of luthiers who will make me very comfortable spending $10k on a guitar if I call and ask questions... but c'mon...

Are the "Herringbone" and "OM" (configured as a Herringbone, I guess?) the same guitar, whilst the guitar they used the call the "Herringbone 000" but now seem to be calling the "Triple-0" in some instances, is a completely separate model using a 000 body size and smaller scale length?

Sorry, none of this is your fault, but you seem to know your acoustics. I bet you can help straighten me out here.

Mods can you please add

Item: Pre-War Guitars Co. Dreadnought Link: https://www.pre-warguitars.com/model-d

Note, this is distinct from the previous requests as this is a non-rosewood dreadnought. They differentiate the two by the names I listed.

At least I can see how they got from "model-d" to "Dreadnought" on this one. :) I appreciate the extra explanation, thank you!

https://equipboard.com/items/pre-war-guitar-co-dreadnought

Sorry for the slow response. I'll try to clarify but sorry if this is too much info or too obvious I apologize. I could see how it's confusing for folks not acoustic players but I think once you're around enough it's pretty understandable. But I agree, they've not been consistent across their site.

So they make a few models in a few configurations all of which could be added to the database if we don't have them because they're being used by more notable musicians each year. They are as follows: -Herringbone -Dreadnought -12-Fret Dreadnought -Slope Shoulder (which we already have) -Triple-0/OM (Really should be two different things because they have different scale lengths but on their website they list them as one tab since the body sizes are the same) (I believe this is on the database) -Double Aught (00) -Single-0

Their guitars replicate old Martin's (and in one instance a Gibson). Because of copyright reasons they can't call it a D-28 but the Herringbone is made to replicate the pre-war Martin D-28's known as Herringbones for their herringbone trim. D-28s originally had Brazilian rosewood back/sides but now are made with a variety of rosewoods. A D-18, however, would be mahogany, and it's what they choose to just call a Dreadnought for copyright reasons. I guess they assume that their customers would know two guitars were called herringbone vs dreadnought they'd be able to figure the differences.

The issue is that a 28 style could also be found in a OM-28, 000-28, 00-28, 0-28 (all with rosewood) or the same in 18 style for mahogany. On their site they don't list these differently, they just ask what wood you want. If you pull images for these, you'll notice a more intricate binding around the edge of the herringbone versions.

I guess it's up to you what you'd like to do with the OM/000, 00, and 0. The dreads are easier because they list them separately. I was just going to post that Molly Tuttle, David Grier, Mandolin Orange and others use dreadnought and herringbone guitars.

Maybe this doesn't help at all hah. But

hah and if you look at the url for the Slope Shoulder you'll see they used to call it a Model-J since it was made to emulate an old Gibson Jumbo.

Thanks for the detailed rundown, much appreciated.

What's important is that we consolidate Pre-War's past and present catalog into the fewest number of entries here that makes practical sense for Equipboard's aims.

When I see that they have multiple models they refer to by multiple names, I see a situation where an artist is going to mention "I also have a guitar from Pre-War, a Herringbone" or something vague like that, and a user is then going to tag this mention as a "Pre-War Guitars Herringbone 000 Old Growth East Indian Rosewood" because that might be the first entry that pops up with the word "Herringbone" in it (this happens every day here, I kid you not). Or the artist will be pictured with a 000 sized Herringbone, but someone will tag it as OM, because the artist is 5' 2" and throwing off the sense of relative scale.

Right now, the best way to prevent such a thing, is to not make these gear entries any more specific than they absolutely have to be. Erring towards simplicity is better for the Equipboard database, and it's also better for Pre-War, as it means they'll have multiple artists tagged to one item (raising it's ranking here and within search engines) rather than 25 different product entries with 1 artists each.

So, what I'm proposing is that we just have one entry here Called "Pre-War Guitars Co. Herringbone" and any guitar they make, of any size, of any tone wood and any level of fake aging, that has ever had the word "Herringbone" in it, past or present, well, it goes under that Herringbone entry.

...but I'm not an acoustic guy, so I can't judge exactly how offensive such a simplification would seem to all the community members out there.

Can we get away with putting all Pre-War Herringbones under one entry, or is that too crude?

Understood. I would suggest the opposite in this case, removing the Herringbone from the 000 entry or any others as they primarily refer to the herringbone on their website as a D-28-style guitar. So I would do the following:

-Herringbone -Dreadnought -OM -000 -00 -0

That would be also in general how I would categorize down Martin guitars, most broadly, so I think that's the strongest argument. You leave out the tonewood but at least removes an extra 4 instruments. I do think the fact that the Herringbone and Dreadnought being their two most popular models means we should separate them out.

Just to clarify further why I'd go that way, body sizes have a marked difference on sound, volume, and play style. Tone woods too but I would argue not as much as the body size. I think you'd find people getting a lot closer this way. You could consolidate the OM/000 though, that would be harder to tell.

Understood. I would suggest the opposite in this case, removing the Herringbone from the 000 entry or any others as they primarily refer to the herringbone on their website as a D-28-style guitar. So I would do the following:

-Herringbone -Dreadnought -OM -000 -00 -0

Done.

• Herringbone
• Dreadnought
• OM
• Triple-0
• Double Aught
• Single-0

This is consistent with how Pre-War is breaking it down on their website (this month, at least), so works for me.

THANK YOU for taking the time to lend your expertise!

I'm with you 110% that body size, scale length, and tone woods make a huge difference... but the reality here is that a sizable % of us aren't great at judging the relative size of an object. We see it all the time for studio monitor lines that come in 5", 7", and 8" sizes, guitar amp combo lines the differ only in size, and with acoustic guitar makers that offer different body sizes... it seems only a fraction of the general pop is great at judging such things from still images, and even fewer are able to verbally articulate those differences in their submission notes... so chances of users correctly IDing instruments that vary only by body size is low... but, as you so lucidly articulated, this breakdown is what makes the most sense relative to the vintage classics they're referencing, and relative to their own naming conventions, so let's do what's right and hope for the best.

UPDATE: I missed your note re: potentially consolidating Triple-0/OM, as Pre-War did on their own site. If you think it's best we merge the two, just say the word.

Hey, I'm totally game for this level of accuracy (and trust me I know I can barely imagine the level of inaccuracy or carelessness people come to the site with, which would drive me crazy as someone obsessed with small details) so if you want to keep them separate since we have them, might as well. If someone's wrong about it, well they got it wrong.

I don't fault you for not wanting to break it out into tonewoods, etc. at this point. But I'm glad you agreed with the fact that a dread vs a 000 is significantly different enough that they shouldn't be together. I think a dread, 000, 00, and 0 should be easy enough for someone to identify, especially if they're paying close enough attention and knowledgable to know that a beat up guitar with no logo on a headstock MIGHT be a Pre-War.

Thanks for your hard work. And if you're like me at all, at the very least you'll have enjoyed learning a little bit about this.

Oh, one last note, there's a typo in the OM. It says Pre-Ware not Pre-War.

Oh, one last note, there's a typo in the OM. It says Pre-Ware not Pre-War.

Good catch. There's probably at least one other typo in there somewhere, I was flying through that list.

I'm curious if, @300+ Gear IQ, you now have the permission level needed to fix this yourself. Let me know if you're denied access. Thanks! ;)

How about that, turns out I can. I'll have to not let that power go to my head ;)

Depends on how bored I am with the holiday at home winding down but I'll try to get descriptions loaded in for a few things I've requested lately.