X Men v Avengers

Same as the premice of the Marvel vs DC post a while back, so if you don't know what was going on check it out I couldn't find a post of this already, so I thought I'd put it up.

Personally I'd be with the X-men, as they're generally more powerful, however it depends on whether Thor is allowed to compete

A lot of X-men (starting with Beast in the righteous 70s) are also avengers.... this may be a pointless question. I don't see these guys fighting even if forced to by The Beyonder! But theoretically Professor X could just mindfuck all the Avengers but the Vision. WHile they were frozen the x-men could gang up on the vision while wolverine walks around clawing all the vegetative-state avengers to death like a peasant on a medieval battlefield.

But its moot, overlappig members in ENORMOUS quantity at any given time. Nope nope nope. And when the X-men took on the Fantastic Four in the 80s (I still have this issue from my youth) it washed out into a circle jerk so fast that you can barely call it a fight. I think that Prof X and Dr Strange are so chummy that if the good Dr showed up the 2 of them would go all astral plane on their respective teams and freeze the lot of them until they calmed down. Next step, super-hero, hippy love-fest. But assuming the fight went thru and the guys holding double membership picked sides? Avengers. They have so many honorary avengers they can call in reserves. I guess The X-men can call on all the junior grade X teams, but the broad mutant X coalition is notoriously unreliable, whereas the Avengers network of heroes contains lots of powerful, reliable guys and gals INCLUDING a lot of the best X-men (as mentioned). The X-men are outlaws half the time, whereas being invited to join the Avengers is like being chosen to work at CERN. Nobody is going to snub a call from the Avengers to help trounce the X-men.

Its sad for me to say this, because I am an X fan through and through. If Chris Claremont dies I will probably send flowers to the funeral in the shape of a big X. But I give the Avengers the edge. They are elite and prestigious and that's the deciding factor. A list heroes across the board and a wealth of A listers as reserves. The AVengers have a lot less internal strife because most of their crew are NOT loose cannons like the X-men. Makes for boring reading a lot of the time, but lets face it, the X-men can be downright dysfunctional. If the Fantastic Four is a loving 50s nuclear family that tackles drama from outside with courage and composure, then the X-men is a fucked up, dysfunctional family that makes a lot f its own problems. Ever see the Tobey McGuire film "the Ice Storm" ?

The 6 part series sharing the same title finished this I thought :) X-Men beat Avengers. No-one in the X-men is a normal human being. 1/3 of the Avengers are.

That being said, assuming the Phoenix Five did not exist, I'll bat it around some more.

X-Men have Omega level mutants on their side. Iceman, Phoenix, Legion, Charles Xavier, Unstoppable Colossus, Franklin Richards, Emma Frost, any variation of clones/children of Scott Summers and Jean Grey.

These characters are beyond powerful. Legion can warp all of reality people. REALITY. Just change history, science, physics, and properties. Some of these are the top telepaths in our galaxy. With concentration and the reasoning to will so, they could wipe the minds of all the Avengers, make them believe they are actually small children, or simply hide the world from them. Phoenix is a world destroyer. What happens when you take control over every water molecule on the planet and freeze it to absolute zero? Iceman destroys the world is what. This is just the X-men, not even all their allies that would help out if the circumstances were right and of course those allies.... many are Omega level as well.

Avengers. They just don't have enough high powered characters to down them all. They would likely try and find a scientific way to take the powers away, but not everyone's powers are the same on the X-Men. You want to take out Professor X's mutant ability? Fine. Let's make it happen. All mutants are without powers, and let's say this somehow didn't effect the Avenger's mutant, Hulk. You have people like Magik and Unstoppable Colossus whose powers are magical in nature. Phoenix is a deity level character. A god. Maybe magical? Avengers' big players are Scarlet Witch (IF she is counted on the Avengers team this time), Hulk, Starbrand, and Dr. Strange.

Dr. Strange = Magik

Starbrand = Legion

Though Franklin Richards never officially joined the X-Men, he was looked after by them for a time. If he was not with his family, he would likely side with the X-Men. Reed Richards is heartless and has been the catalyst for world disaster over and over. I think Franklin would see this and listen to the voice of reason, which would likely be coming from within his mind and voiced by Patrick Stewart.

that all makes sense, I just think the avengers function well as a unit and have so many part-time members allover the damned galaxy that the dysfunctional x-family would be implode under its own tensions while wave after wave of honorary-avenger cannon fodder rolled in... of course, that's if Professor X didn't just mind-wipe all the avengers in the first 30 seconds. It would depend on his mood. He acts all rational and kind, but Xavier is a moody little gimp and I would not want to be on his bad side when he's having a hissy fit.

The X-Family is pretty large itself though.

X-Force, Excalibur, New Mutants, X-corps, Morlocks, The Brotherhood, Muir Island X-Men, Genoshan X-men, The Hellions, MI:13, Alpha Squadron, Alpha Flight, The Inhumans, The Starjammers, ... ehhem.... the SHI'AR EMPIRE. Avengers would shit their pants if the likes of Gladiator came down to defend the X-Men.

Avengers have financial superiority and likely a world government network that is far more favorable than the X-Men, but X-men have those sweet genetics and a history with those like them. The intergalactic relationships really tip the scales. Mind you, my prior post was taking away some of the most overpowered X-men ties.

I think a lot of peoples' laurels are resting on Hulk. I'm on the red side of the Hulk VS Juggernaut argument. Hulk has been blasted down to just his bones and survived, but just survived. Juggernaut was taken down to his skeleton and STILL FOUGHT, allowing Cytorak to fuel him with the hatred needed to keep going. The Juggernaut powers being in Colossus is just unfair for Hulk.

its really moot since we all know Professor X has the mind wipe trump card and there's not a single telepath in the avengers strong enough to stop him.... I think Dr Strange would have to combine his magic with a "tonne" of Tony Stark gadgets in order to stop Professor X's astral onslaught, for real, no other x-men would be needed. Unless Magneto flipped sides maybe, but Magneto has a negative history with the Avengers dating back to that Atantis Rising miniseries from when I was a fetus... his relationship with the x-men can be fraught with tension but it has barely been antagonistic since the 80s. He would turn up and fuck up any technology play by Tony Stark and then the Prof would mind rape all the Avengers in the Multiverse into thinking they were 2 toed sloths...

I keep thinking back to some of the X-Men villains. A lot of them I think would intervene just to protect fellow mutants. Apocalypse and Magneto for example would likely just attack the Avengers and their allies on their own to make sure the mutant race is put in a more dominant position. Avengers doesnt really have a lot of villains that would look to rid the world of just mutants. Dr. Doom would definately wait for an openning in attacking both sides, but not just the X-Men.

Of course, if little Richards is on Team X-men, he commands Galactus now like a pet, so we would see yet another planet destroyer against the Avengers. I just don't think they can hack it for long. Even if you gave them some of the former Xmen/Avenger members like Wolverine, it wouldn't do much in the way of the beings who can alter time, space, reality, and matter.

It would however be fun to watch Dr. Strange be chased down by Cable, Bishop, and Sabretooth through time.

Oh, now that you brought it up, I forgot about Onslaught himself. He is Magneto and Xavier in one body. He killed all of the X-Men before in Bishop's timeline, even though the cartoon of the 90's tried to say it was Nimrod :/

Xavier isn't the only X-man with the mind wipe either. Emma Frost does it often because, Charles Xavier sees it as a dastardly deed to destroy someone's mind like that. She doesn't care though and is morally untethered. Xaviar could be taken out though. If nothing else, his personality may get in the way of his survival. If he dies though, Onslaught would likely be back and if he doesn't, the X-Men will be fueled to drop their beliefs and go for the jugular.

I propose this question. Who is more a threat? Thor with his powers or Storm with hers?

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A Viking god trumps a mutated human any day of the week in my book (and twice on Thursday since Thursday is named after him). He's a GOD... and a FUCKING VIKING. Storm would get her ass handed to her even if she decided to wear her badass Mohawk again for the throwdown. You do NOT want to face down a Viking in single combat. As an army they are rather undisciplined fighters, but they are masters of single combat (since they decided a lot of disputes this way) with equal parts cunning, guile and berserker rage and in asgard the gods fight for kicks all day in Odin's corpse hall. A human Viking you might disarm and defeat if you are lucky, but Thor can just summon his hammer right back. He's a god. And Thor is the mightiest Viking god. Even as a watered down superhero he can take storm down.

Hand to hand I agree. Thor can rush her and take her out with physical attacks quickly. Just the power of their elemental abilities though? I've heard that Storm can control weather on a global scale. I think Thor's storms are only over a county or so.

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Hey. Ever wonder how they chose who would be in the Phoenix Five?

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still, I think she would just be mustering a massive storm when Thor would knock her block off with his hammer VIKING STYLE (you can't remove the physical element of this fight because even if you asked Thor to refrain from punching her I doubt he would be able to restrain himself unless you made hi swear some kind of Viking blood oath first -- even then, Vikings were masters of escaping their oaths via technicalities when they had an urge to rape and pillage in contravention of their word)... also, thor's thunderstorm powers are kinda instantaneous (he'll just swing that hammer and nleash who knows what) and Storm has to kinda build up the pressure systems, even to zap you with lightning... her only defense would be gale force winds to keep Thor away from her.... I don't think her lightning bolt trick will deter Thor's Scandinavian, berserker fury.

I just see Thor opening up a can of whoop-ass. If storm gave the whole world bad weather fighting him it would just serve to piss him off more. I think you would want to give Storm a helper to take on a guy like Thor. Someone who could keep Thor at bay while she out-weathered him. Although I don't know how that would effect him, you know? Her ebst bet would be to blow him away because the lightning would just tickle him, hes the god of THUNDER. And Vikings sailed all around the world in all sorts of elements I just don't know what sort of weather would bother him.... maybe unseasonable heat and humidity? Hes kinda overdressed for tropical weather, maybe you could give him heat stroke while he chases you around with that terrifying war hammer?

Weather wouldn't effect either of them I don't think.

So its Thor. Thor would just beat Storm to death. Thor has a code of honor as do all Vikings, but I've never heard of a Viking feeling dishonorable about beating, raping, murdering ladies like a modern man would... it was more of a point of honor to abuse as many women as possible when you were out raiding. After Thor finished with Storm he might drag her back to asgard and give her to his dad as a present. Odin would get a kick outta that.

If we kill Storm, what happens to the Shadow King? Does he possess Thor?

Probably....

I thought of one today and batted it around for a while in class.

Justice League VS Avengers

Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Flash, Green Lantern, Aqua Man, Cyborg

VS

Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Wolverine, Spider-Man, Scarlet Witch, Captain America, Hawkeye

Justice League, no contest

By my thoughts, the only Avengers that win against their counterparts are Hawkeye and Scarlet Witch. Flash and Spider-man tie, and Thor and Wonder Woman tie with maybe a slight edge to Wonder Woman.

I am loathe to say it, but I think you are right and Wonder Woman would handily defeat Thor, though the battle would be epic.