70s Fane speakers....

I know that the during the heyday of hiwatt and orange in the 70s the awesome and unmarshally hiwatt and orange 4x12 cabs came loaded with either 50 watt or 75 watt Fane ceramic magnet speakers (usually cast frames but later the pessed frames like in some 70s voxes, not sure if there's a difference apart from the frames and in the case of orange sometimes they had celestion H magnets)... but I have encountered a quad of 70s Fanes w/o Hiwatt, Orange, Sound City or Carlsboro badges, just generic fane logos. Look like early speakers. The owner says they are 25 watts but I don't know where he got this because they don't have the sticker with the wattage handling, impedance, magnet gauss and model number on them. The magnet looks small for a 50 watt or larger, it doesn't stick out over the back of the frame at all which makes me think 15 watt to 30 watt. 50s and 75s share a magnet but have slightly different voice coils that change the power handling and voicing.... the 15 to 30 watt range is typified by a medium weght magnet and varying voice coils per model, but hell if you can tell the difference between models with the same magnet but different power handling just by looking. This seller says they are from an old, deterioriating hiwatt cabinet. There are records of very early hiwatt cabs with 25 waters and sound city cabs made by hiwatt for the amps Dave Reeves (of hiwatt and before that Mullard tubes) designed for the brand before hiwatt took off in its own right have the 25 watters sometimes (if they weren't the more common 100 watt cabs with 50 watters that paired with the big dog L100 model everyone used back then)... my Sound City/Super Who style head is a 50 watter (probably does more like 65 watts RMS, its POWERFUL with a capitol P).

So I am trying to figure out if I should buy these. Will they have that Hiwatt/Fane magic? could 2 of them in my 2x12 handle the 50+ watts of my amp? Or are they too small and weak to do the business? Will they sound great blow out? There's 4 available but 2 are poorly reconed with the wrong cone and dustcap (and I don't have or want a 4x12 anymore)... I am considering slapping two of them in my existing 2x12 wired up with a weber 100 watt speaker motor so that the dummy load from the weber cuts the wattage to the vintage Fanes in half, but maybe it won't even be needed? maybe they are fine at handling a good 50 watts as a pair? Do they sound better pushed or underpowered????

Anyone??? Even me, Mr Vintage, is stumped. I know mainly what I am looking at but don't know ABOUT these speakers. I don't know what their rating is, what their power handling is IN PRACTICE or even if I should expect the chewy yet chimey sounds of the bigger Fanes or if these smaller magnet fanes will be a totally different animal. there's nothing wrong with my closed back 2x12 now with the early 70s G12M and early 70s CTS alnico, but hey, the grass is always greener and I am contemplating a pair of vintage fanes like these for a Tommy era sound with this new amp or a mix of an old JBL K series or similar Altec with maybe an EV12L or Fane Crescendo for a later 70s live Pete Townshend Hiwatt response.

Maybe I should leave well enough alone? I know if I load the closed-back 2x12 with fanes or Lansings and like it that way I will wind up buying an open backed 2x12 or a combo cab for the Matchless head so I can use the CTS/greenback combo I spent so much time discovering by trial and error (g12ms are notoriously hard to match for efficiency and to compliment tonally when mixing and I am such an inveterate speaker mixer I can't play thru 2 of the same 12" unless they are something really exotic and special like maybe a Fane or an Altec 414C)....

vintage Hiwatt guys and devoted Who fanatics, you must be out there.... HELP MEEEEEE!