Gibson 2016 Les Paul Studio

So was talking to my fiancée about getting a lp studio on finance if we pay half up front for my birthday so works out like £12 a month 0% interest and can still afford a head that way. Hopefully providing we can get finance we'll be able to get one next week though she said only if its put away for my birthday haha

So peoples opinions on the current les Paul studio?

haven't tried one yet, but on my way to work yesterday I read a glowing review of the new 50s Tribute Studio-T... next time Lu is hanging with his mom I will make sure to hit up a guitar store and try one out and report back on fit and finish. Apparently the 50s spec one comes in a honey burst, goldtop and like one other color, has a biggish neck, TOM and stop bar, 490R and 498T buckers, traditional construction but it weight relieved a little like a non-traditional standard or a lot of the epis.

I told you, financing is the bomb. I did that with furniture, instruments, you name it before my ex-wife damaged my credit playing games with my cards on Amazon (and then I made it worse leaving her).

Our sofa is on finance haha. 2 years till its paid off. Only way we could have got one. I'm tempted to go for something around £1000-£1200 mark and pay around £350 up front and the rest monthly for 24 months at 0.0% interest.

The model I'm looking at is the Les Paul Studio Faded T has a satin nitro finish with probuckers in it has the 1959 rounded neck can't wait to own a Gibson and those Studios are the shit in my opinion! I have always got on well with them when trying them at stores etc.

http://www.dv247.com/guitars/gibson-les-paul-studio-faded-2016-t-6-string-electric-guitar-satin-ebony--224353

This is the model I'm looking at but the gold top at a bit more is also tempting

don't get a faded finish or worn finish because in a year of part time gigs your sweat will turn it into a "no-finish"

one labeled as 'satin' has no clear coat and minimal buffing, but unlike "faded" and "worn" finishes from Gibson the wood is properly primed before application so the finish wears better and also can be clear coated any time you wanna sand it and hit it with a couple cans of Color-tone clear lacquer.... If you want an authentic vintage look you can buff a satin finish up to a nicer sheen than it ahs stock and it will wear off in a few spots over the 1st 5 years in a way that will look like a shiny nitro finish that's worn down for decades.

If you need to keep costs down buy used. New set-neck guitars are a crap shoot anyway. Its brand new and you don't know if the neck is done settling, if there will be a rise at the heel.... a 5 year old Gibson has dried, contracted, expanded and contracted again so may times that anything that was going to happen to the neck joint has already happened. You don't get a warranty, but the guitar will be done breaking in (so to speak) and you aren't going to need a warranty.

I am really considering getting this 80s Burny black beauty copy to try, there are a couple similar mid-to-high end Burny Customs on Reverb right now for under $600 because they're beat on, but this guy has the best features at a ridiculously low price. Even if I need to put work into her she will probably be okay.

https://reverb.com/item/1585224-1985-burny-les-paul-custom-black-beauty-vh1-pickups-made-in-japan-mij-cij-bb-super-grade-rlg-flg

I have the DC Greco LP type guitar from the 70s, I wantone of their 335 copies, I want to try a Burny LP and then when I can afford it a Tokai 335 and LP...

Used lps don't really lose their value in the UK, not joking a 2015 is £50 cheaper new and second hand £75-100 typically. I guess in the UK American made guitars hold their value better? same goes for fender typically. That burny looks nice! good price too. I'd love to buy a tokai, really nice guitars. very expensive though! I noticed BYOC sell bodies and necks for a good price which I think I'll get a strat body from there and stain it a sky blue colour oneday, really want to do that at some point. Also really want either a lake placid blue Telecaster or a black telecaster, both with a maple fretboard. I love Teles

Oh, see only gloss finish USA gibsons hold value nd appreciate here... unless you get a worn or faded and NEVER play it, baby it completely, then it will stay CLOSE to its retail value.

I'm not sure how the resale on the satins is overall, but the 2014 tribute LPs have gone up and I was regretting not getting a 50s tribute when it was new when I saw them resell for $200 more than they were at release. I kind wanted a P90 50s tribute to mod into a Neil Young tribute, but they were done well enough that they became desireable! So now that the satin-finish 50s neck is back I plan to buy one even though its buckers and not P90s.... I can still get clever with her... I remember that at the end of 2014 the original P90 version was getting cleared out super cheap from retailers to make way for the 2015 guitars. I was looking at the discoed mdoels like that LP and the 2014 SG jr RI and the original Gibson idtown with P90s, but the wife wouldn't let me get ANOTHER guitar even for cheap :-( Maybe I can make that work next year though and get a pile of different mid-grade discontinued gibby models. They change the Tribute guitars every year so assuming the 50s tribute LP studios don't sell out by then they will be cheap as heck.

EDIT: total ramble there, whoa.... anyway, be careful and make sure that resale in the UK is steady for worn and faded finished studios before you shell out for one.... satin you are probably safe with....

The resale seems to be pretty good, £500-£600 depending on he year for the worn, can't find any satin models second hand on my brief search, will have too look properly though before buying one, because is always good if a guitar holds value. You could order a 2013 Gibson lp 50's tribute with p90s from GAK.co.uk for £570

http://www.gak.co.uk/en/gibson-2013-les-paul-50s-tribute-ebony/77202

What do you think of the Marshall JCM2000? the old English built one, not the DLS100H reissuse thats made in china or somewhere? They sell for nearly half the price of the DSL100H so quite tempted by it

no I couldn't because I live in America.

Once it was shipped I would take a bath. I could get a used one for that here and play it first.

I am going to be blunt. You English kids are terrible with money and commodities. You all seem completely out to lunch about the value of gear, currency, etc. Maybe its because you have all sorts of socialist programs in your country so you don't have to be as sharp to survive as working class American young people. In my country you gotta have a lot of hustle, business acumen and charm just to keep a roof over your head and food on the table and it takes luck, unscrupulous behavior and/or a real opportunistic streak to get ahead unless everything goes right for you as a teenager. Or unless you're an immigrant who comes here with useful job skills.

The government is not here for you in the USA unless you are a minority, PERIOD so you need to rely on your wits when thigns go wrong (and anymore they constantly do, thanks Republicans, way to deregulate the economy and let the wallstreet demons destroy my future)... for instance, I applied for my nationally run unemployment insurance 2 years ago when my employer started canning everyone prior to selling off their business piece by piece (unemployment coverage which I have been REQUIRED by federal law to pay into since I got my 1st job in the 90s and have never used until now). I am still arguing to get my back payments for the 6 or 7 months I was out of work even though I am now on my SECOND job since then! When my baby boy was in danger of going homeless the state tied me up in red tape even though I have paid into this program my entire life. Only being wise with my savings accounts and making profitable guitar investments kept us afloat until our lease was up and we could move back to Philly for cheaper housing and a better job market in my field. Even my lazy wife bothered to work part time a little bit while we were trying tog et my unemployment entitlements. That's how bad the state fucked us.

Back on topic. The old JCM2000s are just as bad as new ones. Its the design that is inherently unreliable. I actually only know the Chinese ones by their bad reputation, all my experience with JCM2000 amps failing is the UK ones LOL. Stop trying tog et something versatile and buy something that does 1 or 2 jobs REALLY well... and something that is rising in value so as inflation rises you stand a chance f turning a pofit when you inevitably sell or trade-up.

here the average age someone moves gets their first home is 25 years old these days and going up due to poor pay. our government have just given all MPs a 11% payrise whilst everyone elses pay is frozen at 0-1% payrise. Our national debt has trippled under our current government and our deficit has gone up from £34bn under labour to £84bn under our current government. How I don't know all they are doing is cutting everything and selling everything publicly owned like royal mail. Redicious. They claim they have brought unemployment down by 4m but actually they have brought in more zero hour contracts where typically at the end of your 12 weeks you get sacked and you have no job security etc. they have brought workfare so people on jobseekers have to work for no money at all, just their £50 a week unemployment benefit, this is slave fucking labour! they have plans to get 2m mentally ill and depressed people off disability benefits. They have brought in bedroom tax for housing association homes so the poorest in the UK pay 25% of their benefits to the government if they have a spare room or be made homeless, money that is barely enough to live on. Britain and America need to sort their shit out! the conservitives are just like the republicans. I agree though things are still worse for you guys! All the stuff I read about what goes on over there compared to here is usually worse.

I see haha, I liked the tone, don't care too much for the distortion channels on their just the clean lol. probably shouldn't bother with it them and I had a feeling they was really unreliable

I should probably stick with getting the Palmer as I've only read great things and they sound awesome too

I am not trying to be a dick. Its just that you guys in the uk worry more about budgeting gear in whereas when times are good i buy and buy but make sure i am buying stuff to turn a fat profit on when times get tough on me. And i almost never say I won't sell or trade something for sentimental reasons. Fuck it. There are economic realities at play that trump my feelings.

Stay away from any PCB marshall designed and released after the jcm900 series. Marshall started board mounting the preamp tube sockets after the 900 series in anything that wasn't a reissue. The heat is bad for the pcb. They also switched to cheaper board material and the traces aren't as thick as they were either. The modern designs also have more 12ax7es too and all these things compound to give you an amp that goes down a lot after the 1st year.

I know you're not being a dick, you're just saying it how it is really. Its just a UK thing I guess, I have always been brought up to budget as much as possible, everyone I know has, most people in the uk come from working class families who haven't had much till recently really. Always how I've been brought up, I can see why you buy stuff when you have money that has good resale. Its just good thinking when you look at it, like investing in a growing company.

I see, i'll avoid anything after the JCM900 series then., I'm not a huge Marshall fan really but some of their amps appeal to me, alot of the Blackstar guys used to work for Marshall, maybe they left over Marshall cheap assing the newer stuff?

In the usa we are brought up to believe budgeting means doing without luxuries completely. If you are going to purchase luxury items you should avoid throwing that money away on cheap junk. If my parents could not afford good stuff that was made to last they just waited and saved... I do the same thing. If i don't feel i am buying something of quality or at least something i can luquidate easily if i want or need to? I just do without!

In the UK most things are generally good quality and last a long time. From my understanding though a lot of companies in the US get things made as cheaply as ossible and you guys don't have the same regulations as us, we have extremely strict regulations. first things must pass EU regulations, this goes for things from food to cars then they have to pass UK regulations on top of that. If a company doesn't meet these standards their product is rejected until it passes these regulations. Alot of stuff from the US is illegal over here as it doesn't meet our health and safety regulations and various other regulations. a shit ton of food aditives that you use regularly over their are banned entirely and can get a company shut down for their use due to how damaging they can be to health. Pretty nuts really when you think about it?

Me and my fiance will budget stuff like food, we'll give ourselves £40 for a weeks food shop for all of us and we aim to spend £25-£30 typically. sod all really when you think of it but I make a lot of home made foods which keeps costs down, like I'll buy 1 and a half pounds of minced beef for £3 at tesco and make three meals out of it and I'll get some chicken breasts and so on. We actually could spend upto £80 a week if we wanted to but we try to save our money as possible. We want to buy a new tv at some point so we can move our current one into our bedroom and all that lot. Budgetting is very fun for us haha, I love seeing how cheap I can get stuff and then be like I got this for such and such :P

I on't know where you get the idea food and cars and such are unregulated here, they are. Food is even more heavily regulated here than Europe... we can't even get legit camembert unless its from a specialty dealer because the edible mould on the outside is against FDA regulations and you're not allowed to make it in the USA or import it in large quanitites and to do so requires special licensing and exemptions, etc. But once a product is deemed SAFE our government could give a shit if it works or lasts. In those departments its caveat emptor.

I am quite a home cook and only eat out at work or on special occasions. I literally cook 4 to 7 nights a week, some breakfasts and lunches.... and I am known to make Lucian a second meal if he throws a fit about the dinner I made 1st try (hes getting picky as her gets older, he used to be easier with food... I blame his mother). When Lucian is with a sitter so I can work I make sure to have a mess of kid friendly leftovers and prepped fresh mealsin the fridge from waffle batter to pre-steamed vegetables.... par cooked hamburgers, you name it.

The things I find the FDA classes as safe are just weird though. like Potassium Bromate. Thats illegal here as a well known cancer causing agent but yet many breads in the US are made with it. The way food products are tested here is if there is a risk of harm it is banned until proven safe where the FDA will tend to use make something legal till proven harmful. I know there are strict regulations in the US but typically here most things you guys do is banned haha. Thats weird about camembert, we can just buy that in our local super market, all mold rippened cheeses are fine here, just says on the back do not consume when pregnant due to the risk of listeria. Are you guys allowed to buy blue cheese?

Here once something is deemed safe theres then periodic checks to make sure precautions are kept in place to keep it safe etc. Companies have to pay thousands to get stuff independently tested every 6 months to a year I belive. madness really if your a small company though.

Have you guys got this weird shit of restaurants selling rare burgers? Its a new thing going on here and they now have to put warnings on the menu if they want to sell them because minced beef gets all the bacteria from the outside of the meat pushed into it so you get a nice toxic burger if you don't cook it LOL

we've had menu warnings and warnings on supermarket packaging for ground (aka "minced") beef since I was a teenager about cooking it until its ridiculously dry and flavorless... no one gives a shit...