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Guitar Recommendations?

  1. I do NOT recommend anything Gibson or Epiphone. I hate their products and the company as a whole. Their necks are thick and brick like and the tone is nowhere near what you pay for it. I played a 1000 Taylor once and then immediately played a 3000 Gibson acoustic. The Taylor won in every way.

I would argue that, while the Gibson baseball bat or 50s Fender U shape is a lot for a beginner or intermediate player (or maybe some pros), that an overly slim neck is also discouraging because modern Fender slim necks and some variations of Gibson's slim taper (not to mention the vile Ibanez wizard) feel easy at first but are actually very fatiguing to maintain a good hand position on unless you have really tiny hands. Remember you are talking to a guy who played tons of long shows and rehearsed for 2 hours at a clip in a band setting before taking a 5 minute cigarette break on lots of different guitar necks... and I did this literally for years. The bigger necks were less tiring. My deep, soft V strat and the LP standard with a medium-to-fat foundback I had at the time were the least fatiguing. My Carvin and LP Special with more of a slim taper were tiring.

A smaller nut width is a good thing for folks with stubby fingers (assuming they don't have fat fingers as well, then its bad), but slim necks tend to lack shoulder and cause hand cramping. Hand cramping will lead to shorter practice sessions and a failure to progress. I think an intermediate player ought to get a neck shape they have to grow into technique-wise. A guitar that is not somewhat challenging at first is not a good guitar for someone who is still developing their touch.

You may not play your best on a medium neck with a lot of shoulder, but you will find you do not tire. As I got into bigger necks I admit I experienced some cramping in my muscles just like you get when you hit the gym and increase your reps or weight on one of the machines, but just like after a workout you will experience the fatigue hours after you are done playing... again, like the gym, a little stretching alleviated this (maybe I'll make a video with the proper stretches, a friend in LA who is an orthopedic surgeon explained the cramps to me and gave me this wonderful solution).

If you are getting carple tunnel (sp?) playing some necks, consider that you may fret too hard most of the time and that you may be applying the pressure using leverage from the back of your hand against the neck rather than using pure finger strength. Hard to explain, but there are very different ways to put pressure on the string.

If anything, I suggest people go the EVH/SRV route and start vintage-big, then work your way down to something a bit more slim and maybe asymmetrical if you have short fingers and need better reach. You definitely should always have a good amount shoulder under your rear-palm and thumb to prevent wrist cramps and fatigue over time.

Also, thicker necks are inherently more stable, especially in double cuts like the SG where the neck attaches further down the fretboard. That HUGE heel on a PRS is designed to help the stability of their thinner necks, but I wonder if it does. It certainly negates the fret-access provided by 2 cutaways. But I digress...

WOW, this got long! Sorry.

I of course agree with Boom's point 5 in full. As to his comparison of Taylor and Gibson acoustics? Taylor just makes a better acoustic these days. They also offer lots of variation in neck shapes if you search through a lot of them. The ones at big box stores are slim because that's what church players want, and praise and worship guitar is Taylor's main market. Gibson is much more focused on electrics these days (and they can't always get that right anymore). Play a pre-war or early post-war Gibson acoustic against a current Taylor and you will sing a different tune. Unless you are in a praise band on sunday, then the Taylor still wins, LOL

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

You know, I remember someone who referred to a tele he had as a Parts Telecaster. I never understood until recently what I think it means. I think the saddle and pickups were replaced, hence the name Parts.

Unfortunately, I don't have the skill to build a guitar from scratch (I'd love to, though. I probably have the tools). I've always relied on a local shop that does repairs as well as the Guitar Centres' around the area.

it takes no skill to build a fender from parts... all fender USA and licensed parts work together flawlessly, always have... all you need is a screwdriver, a soldering iron and the knowledge to do a very basic setup from scratch (read a stewmac.com article)

the first time I set-up one of my guitars I had NO idea what I was ding, but I referenced a Dan Erlewine book, imagined how I wanted the guitar to play vs how it WAS playing, and got down to it... its all just basic applied physics, the hard part, designing a system that works? its already done for you, even with a kit or a pile of fender parts

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

I mean, have you looked at the apes that work in a lot of guitar chains doing repairs and set-ups? You seriously think you can't do a better job on your guitar than those people? Its your guitar, You are a human of reasonable intelligence with enough small motor coordination to play the guitar in the first place, right? What separates Joe the guitar center repairman from you? Experience! How did Joe get experience? By working on his own guitars.

I briefly took a repair job at a sam ash at one point. Do you know that they just took me at my word that I knew exactly what I was doing and just let me have at it?! They trusted me with all these kids' (and some grownups) guitars doing set-ups and repairs (mostly easy stuff, but still possible to screw up), their PAYING CUSTOMERS I add... on a promise from me... why? Because the people who hired me didn't know enough to ask me any questions or test my skills! I turned out to be a good bet, but I have had a lot of guitars come to me after being butchered by the repairman at a big box store. Friend of a friend stuff. Sometimes I feel so bad for the unwitting owner that (assuming no new parts are needed) I do his work for free since he has already paid the store to make his guitar play and sound worse.

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

You make a good point, but the job is still quite daunting.

Anyways, from the hundreds of suggestions by Jim: https://reverb.com/item/605998-gibson-les-paul-studio-1996-wine-red https://reverb.com/item/321030-gibson-the-paul-les-paul-firebrand-deluxe-1981-silver https://reverb.com/item/885641-gibson-les-paul-studio-1992-black Because even though I want a work horse, I want a work horse that looks HAUGHT

80's Takamine solid-bodies.... just saiyan

If you can find a reasonable Takamine that would be appropriate in a church and that I can afford, then yes. Otherwise, I can't even consider those guitars, amazing as they are.

I really like the 90's Ibanez RG Series that are made in Japan. Humbuckers, fast necks, solid tone, and they are usually in great condition. They can go for 400-500 usually. With the other 500, you could invest in a little stack or keep saving for a tube head.

I'm sure the RG series is good, but I think you misunderstood what kind of guitar I want / need. Ibanez has really polarised me because of the shapes, too intense and metal-ish, and the sound, which is even fiercer. That's not what I'm looking for, but I appreciate the advice.

GET THE ONE THAT FEELS GOOD IN YOUR HANDS.

I actually thought about this. I'm going to Guitar Centre anyways, so I think I can try out and take note of a few guitars there and come back with results and start crossing out some guitars.

good luck at guitar center... tell them you are not buying or they will be up your ass pushing something that gets them a good commission or whatever it is their personal preference is... also, you are going to take a bath on a used guitar there

if you decide to buy online, stick to the 20-odd guitars I pulled for you... I selected a pile of guitars to help you out because based on year, model and good quality pictures they are most certainly decent guitars in the style you want that can be set-up to play and sound how you want. Also, check all those reverb listings to see if these people offer 7 day return. I forgot to, but most reverb sellers do. If you don't like a guitar you can send it back and you are only out shipping.

Where do you live? I might be able to recommend some stores in your area that are better than GC....

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

Around the Los Angeles area. The Guitar Centre's here aren't all that bad. They're I've visited about four of them, and usually, the employees say hi, ask if I need help, and if I say no, they simply wish me luck. The smaller shops are scary, though. The employees there are on top of you, staring at your every move, it's really scary.

I'll probably need that 7 day shipping, especially after the last guitar I bought... an Ibanez Jem Jr... God, the tone on that thing was terrible, good thing I can return.

1) what kind of music do you plan to play with it or do you need a jack of all trades?

2) what kind of amp are you using?

3) what's your build?

OK, here goes (even though this may have been answered already):

1) I'm playing mostly rock, and hard rock, but I also do ambient work.

2) http://www.kustom.com/Content/20102/KG100HFX.jpg

Kustom KG100HFX and KG 4x12

This is not mine, but my friend in the band intends to buy it, and we share amps. He had an old Behringer that we would use, but thank God he's getting a real half-stack.

3) I'm 5' 8''. I'm skinny, but I can handle heavy hardware. As for my hands, well they're just as skinny. If it helps, my hand stretches 8 and 1/4 from the base of my hand to the top of the middle finger.

Good answer.... survey SAAAAAAYS....

go Gibson or Japanese Gibson copy. Fat neck. You are built like me. You will find a skinny neck to be fast but fatiguing. I am about 8" end of wrist-joint to middle finger with the mini tape measure on my key chain. Good idea measuring. You might wanna ask guys online about the neck profile of the guitars they are selling. Especially the Japanese ones. The lower models are mostly medium or slender neck shapes. In person, tell the guys at Guitar Center you are looking for guitars with more of a 50s neck shape. They should get it.

I assume you are young so will not experience back issues for many years (hopefully), but I would still try to stay under 9lbs with your guitar purchase. In pauls 8.25 to 8.75 lbs seems to be the best weight range for solid sustain vs complex harmonics. Also, a really heavy gibby will hasten that mid-life back strain! Trust me, I lived it when I was in my late 20s.

Is there still a big GC on sunset in LA? I remember liking that one! Also, all the Hollywood pawn shops have great shit at solid prices or they used to anyway.

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

Yup, still standing proudly, but I've never actually gone inside. Hollywood is a scary place. They want you to think that It's a place with celebrities and stuff, but those guys in costumes and the homeless littering the streets like trash, It's a bit sickening to me.

Pawn shops? I've been in one, and that was in Downtown LA, everything was either unusable, or behind a massive glass wall, and the people there stare at you behind the glass as if they expect you to pick something up and walk out. Pretty sure one of'em had a shotgun under the counter.

Ya just gotta stare back at the gun-toting pawn store guys. You're a budding hard-ass rocker! Put on your leather jacket and look like you know what you're doing and be ready to haggle.

As for the trannies and junkies loitering around Benito's Burritos? Love those folks. They are harmless and often very witty and amusing. Just hide cash in your boots and keep your wallet in your front pocket. You should go to Bennito's or Del Taco before hitting the GC and pawn shops in Hollyweird just to get in the spirit!

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

I'll probably have to go tomorrow, and I'm going to the Pasadena branch today, later on.

On another note, what's your take on this:

http://tinyurl.com/ptuc8n2

Awww man, I remember some great times I had eating Benito's Veggie Burrito and cruisin' for guitars and amps! I got this great Marshall cab on sunset back in the day. Used it as my #1 4x12 for a decade after having her shipped back to philly. Ya never see a cool cab with vintage celestions like that in person anywhere but LA, NYC and Nashville man.

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

Dusenbergs are nice but overpriced. They are like Gibson/Gretsch mutant-hybrids. This one has a James Trusart vibe going with the patinaed metal. Its more of a showpiece than a real #1 for a gigging musician.

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

Interesting...

OK, I can only think of another, and this was one I had loved for some time.

http://www.spearguitarusa.com/2014/RD-150SE.html

http://www.jamestrussart.com/

http://www.zemaitis-guitars.com/

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

I actually tried one of these in MD

http://www.normandyguitars.com/

Fun axe. I shoulda bought it.

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

80's Takamine solid-bodies.... just saiyan

If you can find a reasonable Takamine that would be appropriate in a church and that I can afford, then yes. Otherwise, I can't even consider those guitars, amazing as they are.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-Red-Black-Takamine-GX-200T-Neck-Through-Electric-Guitar-MIJ-Beauty-/171856682383?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item280374dd8f

The GX-200 has a very understated body shape. If this guitar isn't affordable, then you're limiting yourself to SX and Ibanez GIO guitars :)

But that's orange, not red...

Looks like a fattened Strat. That's the only Takamine on eBay for cheap, though. Personally, even though the sound might be good, I discriminate body shapes and colours.

I'd consider it, though. And what's with the seller, he really got freaky with the Shift key.

Can you really trust a man who types like that? or his takamine? That seller is probably crazy and has a bad case of the rabies.

While the MIJ takamine electrics seem like cool guitars and the couple I've tried in used gear emporiums played well if you are into their thing, japan produced better all-arounders in your price range, especially now that said takamines are becoming collectable.

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

Seriously though, that takamine looks like a decent guitar. Too bad it has a strat trem. I will tolerate it on a strat because its part of the strat thing, but they are not great unless you put 5 springs in them and use them sparingly or block them up completely. That guitar woulda benefited from string-thru-body and a Hamer sustain block sort of hardtail I'll bet. I'm sure its a fine instrument though.

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp