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Harley Benton Building Kit

Hi!

I'm searching a second guitar; hasn't got to be very expensive (not more than 300e). Already having a Les Paul, I'ld like something single coiled to get near of Gilmours / Beck / Claptons Tone. I went on Thomann (.de) and found out that their most sold guitar is a Telecaster Kit to build yourself, by Harley Benton. There is also a Strat and Les paul styled guitar.

Has anyone of you ever tried these kits (I can't find informations or an official site for Harley Benton) or tried Harley Benton in general ? What's another alternate to Squier for a single coiled guitar in the same price range?

Thanks !

Greetings Yann

[Link to the guitars: http://www.thomann.de/de/topseller_GF_e-gitarren.html]

Harley Benton are Thomanns own brand of guitars, pedals, amps etc. they are very high quality. they quality check the guitars before being put for sale as to ensure people get the best product they can for such a low price. I can't speak on the kits but I know the Harley Benton guitars, especially the higher end lp copies play better than your average epiphone and at the price of their kits its worth the risk

I have been informed by most people who have gotten far-east machined guitar kits like these that they are just okay and only as good as YOU THE BUILDER and the additional hardware and electronics you are willing to add as upgrades... if I were going to do a bolt on KIT (not assembling parts myself) I would go with Carvin... for a set-neck its Precision Guitar or NOTHING, but that costs

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Ok, thanks for letting me know! I didn't knew Thomann had a guitar brand :-)

Thanks for your reply. I've checked Carvin; they look great but as you said, they're not cheap.

you can really buy a decent far eastern guitar for what you will spend on a cheap kit and additional bits and pieces to upgrade it.... plus you need to decide what your time is worth to you.

I try to estimate the amount of labor hours on every project I do before I start and then pad in a few extra hours for and 'learning curve' stuff or fixing mistakes I made when I was doing work while I was tired... whether its a partscaster build, amp repair project, whatever I try to balance my estimate of bench time versus how tedious or fun the actual work will be for me to execute. I look at my pay rate at my day job (desk work which is almost always tedious), and if my "fun-to-fuck-it" ratio does not favor fun I assume I am wasting money I could spend working overtime and making money instead of working on a guitar project for FREE and I add that to the cost of the project in question.

So if I estimate about 20 hours of tedious wiring and finishing work (or some similarly repetitive and detail orientedtask) and about 4 hours of setup work on a build, then I multiply that times (for the sake of argument lets say) $20/hour and add that to my total estimated cost.... if the work sounds more fun I do not add the cost in or I add it at a lower rate. So the basic assembly and setup work is relatively fun and easily done in small sessions whenever I have an hour to spare, lets say its worth half pay so 4x$12.5=$50, the wiring is tedious and best done in a marathonsession, so 20x$20=$400.... wow, so lets say my kit cost me $250, right? I also got a btter bridge for $100 and a setoff good pickups for $150. The project cost with estimated labor: $450 in my bench time + about $100 for the core kit + $250 in decent pickups and hardware = $800.

You can get a serious guitar off the shelf for around $800. It will surely be better finished than what you can build from a kit and its likely the wiring will be better.... plus instead of building it for hours on end you can spend your free time playing it. I will tell you that for a tele in particular the way to go is 'partscaster' purchased a piece at a time. Check out the Ebay store "stratosphere" AKA "reliable fender" for fender made guitar chunks, also check out USAcustoms and Warmoth.

I built my sunburst tele from a fender body and neck of my choosing and then added a wonderful rutters bridge and compensated 60s steel saddle, CTS pots, oaks grigsby switch, Hovland musicap, cloth covered solid core wire, and a pair of hand-made pickups wound exactly to my spec by a gentleman in Portland who makes some of the finest vintage fender-style single coils I've ever heard. I also wired everything my way, Gibson 50s style tone circuit and volume-tone-selector instead of selector-volume-tone... and I even got custom flattop barrel knobs with heavy knurl for easier pinky adjustment of controls courtesy the excellent grip. Total cost was about a grand including my labor, but the finished guitar holds up to a top-line USA Fender or entry level Custom shop model in quality, plus it has features that I cannot buy off the shelf from anywhere. I did not bother to finish it myself, I just bought fender parts with decently thin lacquer on them.

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Ok, that's a way of thinking. But I think these kits are not made to create a great guitar, and also aren't a great basis to create a great guitar but more to see how it's made; how it works and especially try to build it yourself will make you think "yeah, I did that!" In my case, I like assembling and building things (we are a woodworker family). So I think if I assemble one, it won't be great, but for 80 euros, how can I go wrong? I just want a second guitar to experiment with different tunings, without having to retune it always into standart to play most of my repertory.

Or as you said, a solution is to assemble a real fender, but that's much more than the 80e of the Benton kit.

its not really a wood working thing, the wood work is done, its wiring, neck set (even on a bolt on there's an art to this and may require some trial and error with a shim to achieve the action you want), soldering, set-up (from scratch is way trickier than tweaking an off the shelf guitar) AND finishing (which is a bear and requires a well ventilated spray booth area and a little specialized gear to do well... unless you decide to use wood dye and clear shellac with the French polish method).... but it WILL be a elarning experience and you will understand the mechanics of your guitars better after building the kit, yes

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I have been struggling with a similar internal debate so loved seeing the subject cracked open here! I was considering a low-cost turnkey or a kit like xyez just to experiment but recently shifted gears and am getting serious about modding a used Tele. When I find one at a reasonable "bargain", I'm in. Prior to that decision, I played a lot of guitars, but just wasn't finding any that hit a price point that I was comfortable with potentially ruining. Still, the search is half the fun. In that, the Epi Tomkat had its appeal but I made the mistake of laying my hands on a D'Angelico and the Wildkat just couldn't compare. In doing a bit more searching (soul and web) the Tele is where I'm heading. Owning a Tele is a wishlist thing. I'm no tech wiz, but I'm comfortable with the electrics. Wood finish-work is another story. Let's just say, once I have to touch the finish, the instrument will likely end up looking accidentally relic'd. ~m

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Per your mention, I checked out USA Customs and I was impressed. They've got some nice options. ~m

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also check ebay, there's a guy I know who lives out by my ex-wife's family in Ohio who cranks out some beautiful, unfinished tonewood bodies on the cheap that look really good with a French Polish finish using shellac. My best friend likes to buy bodies from that dude and necks from USA customs. Hes built some cool super strats that way.

I keep thinking about doing a Precision Guitar LP Special in hand rubbed shellac. I wanted to do a bound flat top with a layer of maple and a ply of silver sparkle drum wrap, gretsch style, I just can't quite drop the money for such a pricey build. I have a thing where I don't want to build anything I can get off the shelf, even if the build is cheaper. I would rather build something unique like my parts Tele (which has a lot of little features I would have to custom order).

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I agree with your line of thought totally. If you're gonna make something, make it unique. Its a personal thing. ~m

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I go off the shelf for certain iconic axes, but anymore in guitars I gravitate to the rarities if they are actually decent instruments! Note my LP Platinum (super rare), 70s Greco Mick Ralphs and Anne Wilson model Washburn. I never see anyone else playing these and they are really great guitars. Not cheapies at all. Helps you stand out on stage mixed in with something more iconic like a blackguard esquire or cherry SG. I am still looking for an SG Platinum at a decent price, or one of the rare 90s SG specials in silver. I Passed on a silver special a month ago and am kicking myself, price was good. Shoulda bought it just to have a silver SG. I could get one off ebay right now that looks like a great guitar other than the poorly repaired headstock crack and its only listed $100 cheaper than the one from samash in Tennessee. Still tempted to lowball the guy.

Folks, take care of your set-necks!

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