MIDI rig - pedalboard or rack drawer for effects?

as the title says, pedalboard or rack drawer? as some of you know I MIDIed up this spring, None of the gear I wound up liking is rackmount, tis all pedals, but I don't touch the controls or footswitches on ANY of it apart from the TC Polytune and occasionally the midboost on my ABY pedal (which is ALWAYS in Y mode, 50 watt amp is always on and the Matchless and AC30HW share the HW combo cab on a head switcher controlled by, you guessed it, the MIDI footboard)

So should I put the pedals on an enormous pedalboard behind the the MIDI controller in case I want to tweak some non-reset delays or distortion on the fly or should I just accept that I went with presets for a reason and throw it all in a rack drawer under a furman conditioner? Or should I build some massive pedalboard so I can get at the controls if I want to?

Mind you I have 2 MIDI expression pedals that can be assigned to any knob on my main drive and my delay.

Effects in the setup are:

Superfuzz (non MIDI, on truebypass looper, just for nasty solos)

DOD CE2 chorus copy (non MIDI, on true bypass looper, only used in 1 preset)

Radial ABY with mid-boost (always Y, occasionally use mid-boost with a tele)

TC Nova Drive (MIDI, has 3 presets I use so far and expressions can control, gain, boost, tone etc)

TC flashback X4 (MIDI, not great with presets, you can only do 2 of them and 1 has to be bypass, can't change modes within a preset via MIDI, but all parameters in a preset are controllable via expression pedals and the global tap tempo)

thoughts? it will be an unwieldly pedalboard or it will be 2 small ones... I will need to do something with the MIDI footboard and tuner for sure, but I could just flight-case them if I rack everything else.... hmmm

pedal-fiends, I need advice

I would chuck it all in a draw and just use the foot controller. Easier and a pedalboard would be a waste of time for you in my opinion where you have the midi controller. Just take up floor space that can be pretty limited at some clubs etc.

I'm leaning toward midi controlling my pedals and amp channels and reverb at the moment and chucking my pedals in a rack draw or two.

Personally, I'm one to move the knobs around a LOT. Well, most artists I see who use those massive footswitch boards like the Voodoo Lab Ground Control or Roland FC-300 are usually controlling either a massive amount of pedals or an Axe-Fx. Something for a lot of pedals would look like this:

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That's half of the pedalboard for the electric guitarist of Of Monsters and Men.

As for you, you're running a fairly small amount of pedals. Superfuzz, Chorus, and the Nova Drive are all relatively average-sized pedals (Nova is a bit thick, eh?). Radial is a fourth, and yes, the Flashback is fairly large. However, like I said, it's still a small board. Hell, you could fit all that on a Pedaltrain Classic. Because of this, you can probably get something like a Pedaltrain Classic 2 or PRO and squeeze everything on there. However, I'm just realising you need footswitches and volume pedal (?) for your board. If this does not all fit snugly, then forget tweaking your delay and rackmount everything. It's not worth spending the extra on the Terra model.

If I somehow missed the point entirely, please inform me.

Edit:

control is now running from a behringer FCB1010 floor board

Ah, there we go. Mike Hosking (Karnivool) actually uses that, here's the video.

Thanks for allthe input. The radial aby is the size of the flashback. I also fogot the Nux true bypass midi a/b unit. Thats the size if a boss gigadelay more or less. The fuzz and chorus are boss pedal sized more or less. Nova is pretty big. About boss gigadelay size. Its a lot of realestate for all the funtionality i have even though its very few effects really. Some are big but i get at least 2 textures from each big one. I could pedalboard everything and have the controller separate... But looking at the monsters and men puc scares me. Its so much stuff...

Ugh. I blew another speaker yesterday and am straining 2 more 50 watters. I need more power handling for the beast... I mean the traynor. She is so punchy and dynamic the transients have eaten everything but the fane so far even with some attenuation...

That's the price of having a massive pedalboard. Frankly, there's much more on his board, but he uses it as a small ambient sound in the background.

So, the choice is yours: lug around a Classic PRO Pedaltrain, or rack-mount it. Again, as big as it is, I highly suggest you get the board. A delay is something to be tweaked, not to be preset and left alone. However, that's my style, if you trust your presets, screw it and break out the Behringer board alone.

hmmm... of course, I can change tempo with the tap button and I have 2 expression pedals for feedback and delay level (and in the tone print software you can assign additional user parameters to each knob) so I can tweak the shit outta that delay regardless (which I won't because I'll be busy playing the guitar)

I was more thinking about access to the other junk. Because every room sounds different I might need to get at controls for the drive, fuzz and maybe even the chorus and tweak at sound check. Plus racks are nice and neat but they are kinda heavy and a pain in the ass. I've been there. I couldn't justify it with only 3 rackspaces used before, this time it'll be 1 space and a drawer or two. THe pedaltrain will be lighter I'm sure. The rack is like signing up to have a 3rd/4th amp head

Its so much easier not to have all this stuff, and its only a few things by many people's standards... drive/distortion, fuzz, chorus, echo, routing. I think YOU have more effects... so does Liam.

I want to get it all organized cheaply, so maybe cost will decide. I am still fucking with the speakers in my closed back cab and that's a minimum for $50 investment every time I try swapping one of the drivers out. I don't have a lot of choice since I'm demolishing vintage CTS speakers (though they sound righteous as they take the beating), I also ate a spare Chinese-made greenback and I am concerned the 50 watt fane classic is unhappy with the traynor's unbridled power too.... it doesn't SEEM that loud maybe because the frequency response is so much flatter than a marshall of similar wattage but its louder than a 747 and fat as god's balls... just not fatiguing to stand in front of. So money's an issue as I am not MADE of it. I am in a battle with the speaker cab - the tone I am seeking versus power-handling versus efficiency (I don't want high efficiency speakers, the amp is PLENTY loud, but low efficiency ones with good power handling sound mushy) versus my income!

every time I fuck around with a new amp format its a giant speaker quest to find THAT sound

I am debating just buying a pair of Eminnce V128s and calling it close enough, at 120 watts apiece they should handle the amp fine, they are relatively cheap and they sit somewhere ein tone between a 70 watt Fane and a 70 watt V30. How bad could they be?

there's always 1 more fucking gadget or case to buy. ugh

AMplifiers are first priority. Go with the cheapest solution and start investing in repairs (if a blown speaker CAN be repaired) or more amps. Doesn't matter how heavy or cumbersome either solution is, it's no use if your amps aren't up to par.

Don't panic newbie! Its a head, so no biggie, I could recone the speaker but why bother? I have boxes of 25 to 50 watt speakers. Its just got too much peak wattage for a all but the toughest 50 watt drivers. I think going for 70 to 100 watts per speaker will solve the problem.... I've destroyed more money in speakers than you've earned in your short lifetime.

amp's fine, just powerful as hell for a pair of EL34s, way more punch than a marshal 1987 or 2204... and I own like 6 tube amps anyway? I forget. Maybe it just 5 now. 3 30 waters, a 5 atter and the 50 watter... oh no, 6, I picked up that laney 50 watter I haven't tried yet too... shoved in the gear closet right now.

okay Narcist, I scooped up an '82 Fane Classic 12/50 8 ohm speaker with a lead cone and small aluminum dustcap to replace the dying CTS. I am hoping the lead guitar classic 50 will mate well with the general purpose, large dust paper cap model I already have. So I am good unless 100 watts RMS power handling is still not enough for the mighty YVM1 tube amplifier. I can't imagine these speakers won't take it, the amp could only put out 60 watts RMS at best and MAYBE 100 watts peak.

I managed to cherry pick ths speaker off of Ebay for a pittance, so I can get on to organizing the rig. A big (for me) pedalboard seems cheapest so I think I am going with your suggestion. It occurs to me I don't need to put the MIDI controller on the pedalboard. What do you think of a slightly smaller pedalboard with the pedals? I could order 2 small ATA cases to fit the pedaltrain and Behringer footboard and just connect a 3 foot MIDI cable between them when I set up.

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Get that Behringer, raise it up to your chest, and shake it up a little. If the pitiful sound of circuitry rattlig is heard, the. Mike Hosking was most certainly correct. Shouldn't hold you back, though.

So, for someone such as yourself, it sounds like you should get a tiny board (or DIY!) and fit all you pedals there. If all you need is a MiDi cable and several others, just get one board for your pedals, pach the Behringer on top, and get one big case.

The fcb1010 is most def thepoorest. Midi board out there. But itwascheap as all get out and will serve long enough to justify the 60 bucks I spent. A lot of guys tour with these things so they must be somewhat sturdy. I just plan to dosome lical gigs with it and maybe track a record.