Nuemann Tube vs. FET?

I've been using an M149 on my 1x12 Bass cab, and have been loving how it's been sounding (I prefer it over the XLR out of the amp), and I've been experimenting with the same cab, but a FET47 (akin to Greta Van Fleet on their album Anthem of the Peaceful Army) and I think it sits in my signal (3 channels) really well, whereas I felt like the M149 'pokes' out of the mix and is a bit more forward. I'm thinking of using the FET47 on some kickdrum recordings coming up, has anyone used a Nuemann for kick? If so, how does it compare to something like a 421 or 112? Cheers :)

okay, the fet47 is the classic front of kick mic, but YMMV, I don't always use one or if I do I don't always mix with it because its room and kit dependent

the m149 is an excellent choice for bass amp but a 47fet is too, but the 47fet benefits from a dynamic combined if you an get the phase perfect... the sm59, sm7, md421, re20, d12/d20 and even a d112 are good dynamic choices for a fet47 pairing on a bass amp... another good way to go is a u87 or another multi-pattern neumann 3 or more feet out in figure 8 to capture the estension of the low wave and a cloud of room... in all instances be sure to run a DI to grab deep low if needed. I usually mix the DI with an opto or varimu and a low pass filter after and then hit the amp track with a dbx 160x or valley dynamite or similar and scrunch it then hipass and maybe hit the spx90 symphonic if an alan moulder 90s width is needed. Tweak it til its sudtle stereo motion without sounding chorused.

The michael beinhorn aproach involves a dbx subsynth into a solid state power amp and an extra cab or sub and a distant mic fot the soundgarden superknown and marilyn manson sub bass in the room as it was captures for those LPs.

Thank you!! I definitely want to do a FET47/MD421 pairing on the bass cab, and I am quite intrigued with the U87 in Figure-8, I'll have to give that a go as weel.

I'm also in the process of building a Sub-Kick, have you paired one of those with a FET47?

Thank you!! I definitely want to do a FET47/MD421 pairing on the bass cab, and I am quite intrigued with the U87 in Figure-8, I'll have to give that a go as weel.

the figure 8 neumann is a beatles technique, its thin without DI for modern styles (though I like it for busy parts), you'll have to compensate for the delay, but you always do with a DI... if you use protools or cubase you can setup your amp/cab/microphone as an insert effect off a mult of the DI track and use the delay compensation by pinging the amp, it'll get it in time in those 2 DAWs, the you print another track off the output of the track with the amp as an insert... hope that makes sense.... or you can do a reamp if you don't need the feel of your amp to give a good performance... anyway, lots of figure 8 mics work in that meter-out position, the U47 or 67 were the beatles choices, but a c414 or AT4050, even a lowly warm wa47jr can work. I've also used ribbons for this. Shure's (formerly naked eye) is pretty good at it as is a royer 121 or 10... an AEA works but is a really warm midrangey sound, depends what you're trying to emphasize in the mix and the preamps available.

I'm also in the process of building a Sub-Kick, have you paired one of those with a FET47?

I usualy do one or the other, not both, on kick... if I use both its because I can't comit to one or the other, but I usually just decide on soemthing, soemtimes arbitrarily, often based on the rest of the arrangement, at leastn on luxurious sessions, those don't come up as often these days.

I don't like recording a bass cab with a subkick. A reversed woofer on what's essentially a woofer seemed like a cool idea to me but in practice it was all the wrong frequencies, you have to EQ it so much its not worth it. If you have a subkick on your kick its definitely a bad idea unless you like an undefined bottom end.

EDIT: Another point in favor of the 47fet is the headroom, I like loud amps even in the studio so I need to be able to soak up SPL...and isn't the m149 transformerless? the 49 is the OG, I could swear the 149 has no transformer so you can hypothetically capture below 20hz, but do you really need that? the fet47 doesn't extend all the way down but the transformer gives a nice bump before the rolloff. it would depend on the song and the bass' roll in it and what's going on with the kick

Thanks for asking, I never get to talk about this stuff on here. Cheers.

fet47s as a spaced pair or xy and why? only wrong

I'm pretty sure AC/DC used FET47 as o/h for some of their later work

spaced pair, in a Glyn Johns style :) I know there's a few engineers that use Tube U67 for overheads, but I don't have those, so I used some 47 fets

Oh come on, I've only gotten to use matched 67s on one occassion!!! And I've been aorund. I like glyn johns in smaller rooms myself, but not fet47s, I like figure 8 for that to make the room sound bigger... I wanted joke answers though!

oh jeez! that would have been fantastic, did you have an AC/DC budget??

not at all, it was just lucky the place had them, otherwise I worked at a place in the August that had 1 u67. it wasn't particularly well maintained but it sounded amazing anyway. I've only done 1 big budget OP and it was a miserable experience. the budget was not spent wisely.

I'm not sure youd be able to fit 47s in an xy!!!

I'm not either, that's why I said wrong answers only! although I've gotten 87s into a near coincident xy so why not?