Real Music

That's how I listen to classical. You can do the same thing with it but you have to break down each instrument's section. Listen to just the trumpets or just the bass strings. Pachabels Canon has a super lame bass line, so I just pay attention to the violins.

No. This isn't the appropriate thread, and you should probably research that on your own.

Anyone know which guitar vst Robin Schuz use?

I couldn't even find a photo of him holding a guitar. I think he's just a DJ. Do you have a photo?

But that Citizen Kane slow clap ...

It's all in his face. See this one just doesn't work

http://media.giphy.com/media/xTiTnC5cMmUx9bfWYU/giphy.gif

Yeah, there's only one Unicron, err, I mean Orson! Either way, he will sell no wine before its time.

Anyone know which guitar vst Robin Schuz use?

I couldn't even find a photo of him holding a guitar. I think he's just a DJ. Do you have a photo?

Does anyone know why we're all here?

Do you like Gary Clark Jr. or Benjamin Booker?

Gary Clark Jr.'s Bright Lights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFjMeOnqAPI

Benjamin Booker's Violent Shiver

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm-rb8k1HkU

To discuss why Marcus Aurelius' father is described as having "manliness and integrity", even though he left his son at an early age?

To discuss why Marcus Aurelius' father is described as having "manliness and integrity", even though he left his son at an early age?

Sounds like a public school system idea :)

Though I typically find any music without instruments as not real music, I do dig some of this genre. Where the artists fails with ability to play an instrument, they still have a shot at writing interesting vocals arrangements. This song by Gnarles Barkley I think demonstrates this. His voice and his vocal timing really sell the song for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQtYtELhx6o

To discuss why Marcus Aurelius' father is described as having "manliness and integrity", even though he left his son at an early age?

well that's a translation and cultural problem! Manliness and integrity had completely different meanings in the classical world, particular amongst the Italianate aristocracy of the Roman empire... your confusion reflects the monumental, cultural sea-change that occurred between the battle of the Milvian bridge and the deposition of Romulus August in the west. Please read Gibbon's classic book on the subject.

Anyway, this profound difference in meaning and point of view carried over into Macchivalli's writing in which he uses the term 'virtue (ital. virtu)' incessantly in its classical sense (latin: virtus, direct ENGLISH translation manliness, though like the latin words auctoritas and dignitas, no single English word can convey the culturally alien meaning of any of these latin words), not its post-Christian sense and in doing so confused students reading English translations of the Prince for generations.... even though the big M was writing in the vernacular, given the minimal influence of Germanic languages on the development of modern italian from latin, some Italian words still carry a bit of the pre-Christian meaning of their latin roots, and in the case of virtu AKA manliness, Nicollo is still leaning heavily on the meaning of the words latin origin.

Because you are reading a translation of Marcus, you are having a pretty typical issue with the text. Without breaking out my latin copy (and struggling to find the page you are talking about with my VERY rusty latin) I want to say that I think the word Marcus selected was Virtus and it has been translated in your copy as 2 English words, manliness and integrity. I don't think I I would translate virtus that way, especially in this context and especially not for a modern American reader. Its easy to want to translate Virtus or Virtu as manliness given that the root of this adjective is the latin noun vir, or man. But even that noun has a deeper sense than our modern English noun. Rather than 'man', in most texts try looking at the word vir as "real man." However, while there is an element of what we would call machismo, there is an even stronger streak of civic duty....

I take it you're reading "meditiations" for the first time? If you can read ANY Latin I encourage you to get the version from the Loeb Classical liabrary that ahs Latin on one side and a solid English translation on the opposite page and try to muddle through that way. To take a page from Marcus himself, really reading the classics is more like wrestling than dancing ;-)

here's the quicky entrance into the wonderful world of the ancients: http://www.hup.harvard.edu/features/loeb/digital.html

Shame, I know no Latin, but I did just purchase a copy of the book.I just got past the first chapter, trying to get myself into these types of books, I'm even writing notes.

Still, why learn Latin? Isn't that a dead language? I couldn't possibly get much out of a Latin book if the language is dead.

Still, why learn Latin? Isn't that a dead language? I couldn't possibly get much out of a Latin book if the language is dead.

I HAD to take some Latin every year in jr high, it was part of the program I was in (just like I had to study logic, taxonomy, ontology, etc to stay in gifted class in primary school) so it barely crossed my mind at the time that it was a weird thing to do. I would not say I learned Latin, I can't speak it fluently (I am no mathematician and don't want to be, but as an adult I am glad I can solve some basic Calculus problems and learned the basics of higher math), but being able to slog my way through a Latin translation to English has served me well as it is the basis of all scientific language, a great deal of legalese and is the antecedent of Spanish, French, huge chunks of English, Portugese and of course Italian. If you have enough basic Latin and a year or 2 of highschool Spanish you can muddle your way through a lot with Spanish speakers at work if you can get them to slow the heck down! I can definitely follow Italian speakers, though the need to do so in my adult life is pretty infrequent.

So in a certain sense Latin isn't a dead language anymore than Sanskrit is (most Indian dialects were spawned from Sanskrit). No one speaks it day to day anymore, no modern culture relies on it as their primary mode of verbal communication, but we all use Latin a lot without even thinking about it. In a sense almost everyone speaks a little Latin sometimes.... quid pro quo, ergo, ipso facto....

I wish I could read a little ancient Greek so that I could get more out of Plato and Aristotle.... alas, who has the time to learn another 'dead' language?

I HAD to take some Latin every year in jr high, it was part of the program I was in (just like I had to study logic, taxonomy, ontology, etc to stay in gifted class in primary school) so it barely crossed my mind at the time that it was a weird thing to do.

HA, our public schools don't even bother with such things as "taxonomy" or "logic". If they did, maybe our new workforce might have some better skills, eh?

Who has the time to learn another 'dead' language?

All the time in the world.

I HAD to take some Latin every year in jr high, it was part of the program I was in (just like I had to study logic, taxonomy, ontology, etc to stay in gifted class in primary school) so it barely crossed my mind at the time that it was a weird thing to do.

HA, our public schools don't even bother with such things as "taxonomy" or "logic". If they did, maybe our new workforce might have some better skills, eh?

Even so, would we have careers available for them?

His voice and his vocal timing really sell the song for me.

Voice is an instrument, too ;)

I HAD to take some Latin every year in jr high, it was part of the program I was in (just like I had to study logic, taxonomy, ontology, etc to stay in gifted class in primary school) so it barely crossed my mind at the time that it was a weird thing to do.

HA, our public schools don't even bother with such things as "taxonomy" or "logic". If they did, maybe our new workforce might have some better skills, eh?

Even so, would we have careers available for them?

right? my education is totally squandered in my career... well, not totally

We need classes on basic common sense...

Best teach those high school idiots to not reproduce so much and how to balance those checkbooks.