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Recreating bass effect for STP song 'No Way Out'

Hello. Looking to recreate Robert DeLeo's effects for the intro to Stone Temple Pilots song 'No Way Out' (From the No.4 release). It sounds like a sub-octave pedal or similar and wondering if any here might know? Thanks

Let me get back to you when I'm in my studio again. I need to reacquaint myself with the bass sound on accurate speakers. After the first 2 records they got elaborate with their studio instruments & gear and also really indulged in a lot of post production wizardry.

It might not be our front of an amp. could be a mix effect like a dbx subharmonic synthesizer or aphex big bottom or even a H3000 in octave down applied to a DI bass track that's filtered and tucked under a traditional microphone on a bass cabinet.

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  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

Thanks, Jim! I don't believe my OC-3 is going to cut it so really appreciate your time!

I'm pretty sure that's post production processing. Its way more subtle than a guitar effect. There's something hapodj about ng but it's pretty refined. I think I still have Dean's email and could see if he remembers.

These guys don't have big pedalboards. What is it Robert's doing in the beginning that you're asking about? I just listened to it last night and I'm hearing a p bass and over driving ampeg with a di track that's p ett processed for extra bottom. What am I missing?

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  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

Thanks, Jim. Super appreciate your time. I know the bass line, so my question was regarding that sub octave sound below the Drop C tuning in the intro, and how it might be produced live from stage using a 4 string. It's C to A. Played on a 5 string one still has to tune the B down a step. Am I making sense with this? LOL

I hear it now. Robert has a bass micro synth and an old mutron octave divider according to our page for him, so its 1 or both of those. The octave sections are similar in design but the mixrosynth has a resonant filter after it modulated by an envelope detector and an lfo. That's the most likely to my ear. It's dialed in subtly but it seems like there's more happening than the mutron can do on its own... I think hes got the ehx on his board specifically for that intro and that's the sole effect employed in front if his SVT. It could be the mutron though, that's a wild sounding box though.

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

Thanks, Jim. Gosh. Just wondering how I might be able to recreate that live using other means? Funny. I had an old Mutron that I just gave away because I had no need for it, years ago.

Well, if it's just a mutron and not the ehx microsynth you could try a current production ehx octave multiplexer or a POG for a more modern take... but the ehx multiplexer has a really similar circuit to the old mutron octave divider... mutron is back and there's also the original designer's mu-fx from a few years back but their reissues are very expensive. I believe behringer has cloned most or all of the mutron pedals including the octave. I can't speak to the quality but a cheap copy finally exists and will be about 100 clams like everything from behringer city China.

Ehx still makes the bass microsynth.

Or you could invest in a line6 multifx box that models these stomps like HX stomp or the older pedal modelers which I think sounded close enough for bar gigs. Obviously make sure it models the right pedals and try it out first.

Personally I have never been slavishly devoted to recreating album sounds when I cover a song. In fact I usually go the other way and want my band to make it our own. If your band mates are insistent then tell them all to chip in to buy you the right pedals. They will probably feel less persnickety when it's their money and not yours lol. Or you'll wind up with a free toy... friends are always giving me shit. Ya gotta embrace it and also pay it forward sometimes.

Good luck!

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

Fun read, Jim, and thanks for the advice! Actually, Firecracker Smile is my STP tribute band out of Austin, and we do a pretty darn good job at recreating the music. It's those little things, like that intro into No Way Out, that make it for us. Like the icing on the icing. LOL I will keep you posted in the future once a solution arrives, or somewhere in the middle. Appreciate your input.

If I'm ever in Texas again I'll have to come to a show. I'm a huge pilots fan.

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

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