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Red knob fender "the twin" any good?

Is the red knob fender twin amp from 1987-1994 any good? How does it compare to earlier and later twin reverbs?

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define good.... the red knob twin and showman have a sound.... I prefer them to the the later "twin amp" aka the "evil twin"... they're a service nightmare, like the evil twin.... ummm, they're very affordabe and provide some fenderish cleans tht hold up if you're the only guitarist and a drive section that's like a lesser known grunge band all the time? red knob twins and showmans are very heavy, very very heavy and they can hold doors open.... replace the speakers immediately ina twin, they have awful drivers... reverb is not fendery despite being an F tank in a fender amp.... ummm

how cheap is it? in america they trade for about $300 in good shape, recently serviced, or they used to.... haven't seen one in a decade! They're almost as old as me so expect to replace the filter caps soon unless the previous owner has already done so. Those electrolytics are a good 15 years past max life expectancy... and there are a lot of expensive capacitors in any twin

I would opt for a showman head, same amp, less weight... another option is that crazy red knob rack amp that's like 60 watts I wanna say. It was a gorund up new design and sounds shockingly good.... and you can rack it with an FX processor in the loop. Huzzah.

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I suppose to me "good" is how the cleans stack up to the older twin reverbs and the later ones. Reverb doesn't bother me as i don't really like reverb.

I couldn't care less about drive channels on most amps as I prefer pedals for distortion or I like to boost the drive channel at low gain as that works better for me.

The price I'm looking at is around £250 but hoping to be able to get a bit knocked off with any luck. To me £250 sounds pretty cheap for a 100w fender tube amp from the twin reverb family but I don't overly know much about them, other than there very heavy and are expensive to retube.

I'll have to see how much a showman head goes for. The bassbreaker seems like a decent combo/head too and they come up fairly cheap. I'm also looking at a few laney amps, I used to own a VC30 but it died. I did like that though but don't really want to buy another. I've also looked at a few blackstar amps but not sure if I want one or not

The only rack head I can think of is the laney iron heart studio but it doesn't have red knobs

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these were allover the Philly scene 10 or 20 years ago, the showmans and twins, every stoner doom band had one for some reason... cleans are inferior to blackface, but not bad, preferrable to say an ultralinear silverface twin (unless you play ska, then the silverface, its THAT sound)... think mesa mk3 or later, or a lonestar maybe. The loud lonestar, not the special. 250GBP is like 400USDish? Its a little high unless its been recapped, its an expensive recap job and it WILL need fitler caps soon. Its a 30-35 year old amp. Retubing isn't expensive really. Maybe $200 US if you're picky about preamps. I would just get a JJ or TAD retube kit for a twin and if it needs an extra preamp for the extra distortion or whatever then buy one tube, maybe a tested new sensor Tung Sol reissue for big, round grunt.

If your VC30 died its similar construction to a bassbreaker or a blackstar and that'll eventually die under whatever stress you're putting it under.... it culd be a PCB thing (probably) or underspec transformers, a lot of new prosumer grade tube amps suffer from both these problems and need to be babied! assuming there was no user error like running without a speaker load, the red knob series should provide better life, it was the last fender series to keep tube sockets off-board as I recall, so tube heat and any tube malfunctions won't take out a PCB. They're msotly still running, right? Its still a mediocre spec PCB though and is susceptible to warping, trace lifting and cracking due to extreme temperature swings. You shouldn't bring it in from the cold for instance and immediately fire it up. It has to warm up slowly. This is good for your tubes and for the PCB. Load in well prior to sound check in the winter. Pretty much only high end marshalls of yesteryear like the JMPs, 800 and 900 series hold up well. They all have off board tubes and also very high grade double sided mil spec PCBs. Fender always cut corners when they went PCB. These days mainly boutique amps like tone king and soldano feature that kinda PCB construction. This is the handwired mojo.... construction stability! Its less consistent amp to amp, but any handwired circuit will be more road worthy and easier to repair on the off occasion something does go wrong. Now the thing the red knob twin ahs is excellent schumacher transformers, same model and spec as the 60s and 70s twins as far as I could tell last time I was in one. This changed in the evil twin. I don't know if schumacher still makes them the same or at all. The only better twin transformer is the triad from the blondes/tweeds and the early dual showmans.

the amp I'm thinking of is the fender super 60.... had to google it. Best red knob amp hands down. Better cleans for some reason, able to get some reasonable power tube dirt in clean, and superior gain circuitry. Spiffy 1980s rack case.

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It was good enough for Waylon Jennings. Such an intriguingly cool nickname, too: the "Evil Twin".

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the red knob isn't the evil twin, that's the "twin amp" .... at least around THESE parts its not the evil twin... nicknames of everything, even sandwiches, are regional in the USA

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the red knob isn't the evil twin, that's the "twin amp" .... at least around THESE parts its not the evil twin...

Good catch. The red knob predecessor, The Twin, shares the nickname of the ‘94 Twin Amp, hence my confusion.

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I was never sure why they called the blackface series 2 'the twin' the evil twin apart from the fact that they seems to break a lot.... its ntoe vil really. Just a stripped down, cost cutting twin reverb, kind've a showman in a 2x12

EDIT I totally forgot they called that the evil twin.... I never heard it until into the 90s when the actual twin amp evil twin was currently in production though so it may be confusion

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