Smashing Pumpkins phaser tones

Hello everyone, I'm a big fan of early Pumpkins music and I am absolutely in love with the way they used modulation effects - especially phaser. I wanted to find out which phaser did they use on the intro of Mayonaise, and I have heard it was most likely either EHX Small Stone or MXR Phase 100 (or even a MuTron Bi-Phase, but I don't think I will be able to afford it in next 100 years) Any suggestions?

they used every almost every phaser known to man at one timeor another... solos on siamese dream were (as far as I know) phase 100 or a badstone (which are both great pedals that sound differnet then their 1 knob cousins, I have a 100 and it does the business for siamese dream solos when I feel nostalgic)... complex switly-warbley parts were often,a s you surmised, a mutron biphase (good luck there), they used some sort of univibe on MCIS in places like through the eyes of ruby... a lot of clean pahsed stuff was in fact a smalls tone. If you want to be nitpicky the new ones don't sound right. Drop a little mroe money and get an odler one, preferrably 70s but 80s russians sound pretty decent too. i've ahd a lot of smalls toens form every era and they're all different and they all suffer from tone suck except thenew MXR sized ones whicha re tru bypass with no volume drop (a mod you can do on an old one with like 2 parts)... iw ould say the mayonaise tone could be either the smalls tone of the phase 100. I have both and either willg et in that ballpark. The EHX is pretty much there with the right gutiar and amp with very little fuss apart from putting the switch in low position and turning the rate/depth knob down low enough but not too low... the MXR would take more dialing in but with tis extr a features culd probably get that thin and wirey phase sound without any special amps ettigns, weird pickup combinations or studio EQ later... but tiw ould take dialing in, the epdal is hugely versatile....

also check out the mutron phasors as a biphase alternative... have one of thsoe and it has that biphase timbre, you justc an't ge tthe apeshit itneractions of the bphase's dual setup, but dman does the biphase sund good. Very good for pumpkinsy type stuff

And what do you think about the big box Small Stone reissue? I don't mean the current nano chassis one, but the discontinued big box version with led. Is the volume drop really noticeable on this one? Not so long ago I missed a chance of buying a black russian Small Stone for criminally low price, so now I have to look for something other (or wait for another one to show up) When it comes to Mutrons, even the smaller ones are rather out of my reach.

the big box is the same circuit as the nano as far as I can tell... I'm unsure why the old oens sound better... they are OTA type phasers and each Operational Transconductnce Amplifier that creates the phase shift stages contains a couple of FETs so it might be the sound of the older FETs (even the same part number will have changed at elast in tighter tolerance sicne the 70s, modern computer aided manufacturing is a whole enw world of precision)... the new badstone sounds better tome than the new smallstone, but its a totally different phaser with a different number of stages and even the OTA building blocks are a smidge different... old small stones don't go for a lot. I think I sold my 2nd edition, early 70s one for about 300ish? A green Russian should be about 150USD...

its sad, I sued to get stuff like this on trade or buy it for $20 out of the sued pedal bin at Bob's Rt13 music back in the day

here ya go, this is my old band... the sound that comes in carrying the main verse lick around 15 seconds is a coil tapped humbucker on a semi hollowbody into a really old small stone amplified by a fender Showman driving an oversized 4x12 miced with a 57 (or an audix) and a ribbon mic close up to the best sounding old speaker. Very little EQ or studio trickery. If that's one of the soudns you're looking for then a small stone is for you. Even an RI will ge tin that ballpark. A green russian will do it better and 70s NYC one, any graphics will do it exactly.

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If that's not the sound then try the Phase 100. It can get soemthing LIKE that but it also does a lot mreo stuff. Most of the smalls tone's other tricks are really limited application due to the derth of cotnrols but the Phase 100 does a lot of cool stuff including a passable phase 90 impression. If Ic an remember which tracks form that record used the mutron gear I'll post them here too.I brought my mutron phasor to some of those sessions and borrowed a rare mutron flanger with the wah tredle too but I can't remember if we used them in the end. We were staying away from a whole lot of modulation and mostly just used cool amps and the odd fuzz box.

are the less desireable mutrons worth a lot now? I've had mine for a good 15 years. I think it was 200 bucks back then and I almost didn't wanna cough that up for a stomp box.

Yep, seems like I'll have to go on hunting for some vintage small stone... wish me luck!

that's the sound then? yeah, the old ones do a good job, but you may wanna go to a store and try the nano to see if you hear or a difference or you think I'm insane... on the cheap you could try any of the pre-digitech multi knob DOD phasers. They're OTA circuits like the EHX ones using similar FETs to cheive the phase stahges. They take logner to dial in but are somewhere between a smalls toen and bad stone in design so they have THAT sound when you get those knobs dialed in right. The on knob DOD phasors though are more like MXRs. I'm nto sure what's inside the early DOD phasors with the huge boxes and the built in AC cable but they will likely be outside your price range these days. The early DODs in the MXR style box sound great and are still a great price (and might even be reissued now), don't get me wrong, but they're more focused and less sparkly like the phase 90 tone. The soudn you want will coem from teh smaller box DOD pahsers with the shitty plastic footswitch.

one more option is the line 6 M series.... the smallest one does one effect at a time and where it really shines are the modualtions. In the phaser library you'll find a digital modell of every phaser the pumpkins ever used. I have one of these boxes and its more than good enough for stage work and I've even used some of the chorus, flange and phasing while mixing (everything is stereo in and out, so it trumps analog untis for mixing which are at best just stereo out and more foten aremono or dual mono wet/dry)... versus all myold analog gadgets it sounds pretty decent with a quality guitar and amplifier. Disregarding the distortions its a pretty imrpesive unit from trem to verb and even the compression is pretty decent. its an affordable, multi-purpose investment. I would say I prefer the smalls tone model to a modern small stone LOL

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