Transparent drive

on a sort of related note, the quilter I bought is the msot imrpessive thing in amp development in a long time.... its almost a tube amp. So close, so much closer than modelers and just great. And tiny. I think a bigger quilter might REALLY suit you. One with mroe features, teh FX loop for spring reverb or a simualtion....

Try yerasov bb10 or yerasov scsbb10 for booster, or also the yerasov ts20

3 suggestions of teh same brand? your company or your friends company?

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yerasov? that soudns so familiar. Do they make a JCM800 clone? Russian folks, right? They make an 800 that looks kidna like a Diezel... is that you, do you build those 800s? I always see the lsiting on ebay and get tempted.

i can get that tone from the video and the clean for pedals pretty well, both of those are definitely fenders ball park but the driven sound i wouldnt say sounds as good, it kinda sounds fake compared to a driven vox or marshall or vintage orange, but the vox distortion helps color it a bit and the ocd on the low peak setting with the tone around 1/3 helps me get a bit more presense with the low end but its not a sound i use often its more of a tone i like to jam alone with. i would say if i want to start playing blues rock or something needing a more ballsy tone id get a vox or look for a used marshall head

that 80's tone is my go to for jamming in general since its pretty easy to dial in and is easy to hear with other people playing in a 85 degree garage because its 11pm at night and you have to keep the garage door shut since the neighbors are sleeping and you dont want a noise complaint

how good are its cleans but my church is changing venues and we may be an a proper auditoriam that i can actually run my amp in

also i didnt see it but you said it sounds like the smiths when marr went all fender and their second album has a ton of 80's influence to it, ive seen the live twice and theyve done covers in their set of Everybody Wants to Rule the World and You Spin Me Round by Dead or Alive

2 of my guilty pleasures from being a kid LOL! throw in simple minds, psychadelic furs, depeche mode and frankie? mmhmmm. Iw as way more into music in the 80s and 90s then as an adult. i eman, into music fandom LOL.

oh, I forgot you play in church, it doesn't really matter how big the church is they never wanna let you really use your amp so justs tick with the OCD, good enough for how loud they will put up with. I'll ebt you my buming aorund the house volume is louder than you usually play with a band. I am not dick measuring, just saying. I like to work them amplifiers nice n hard son, nice n hard! You might really wanna go with soemthing super small like a princeton reverb for praise and worship and just mic it, then you can really get it cooking. I eman, the DRRI is only a biscuit louder but it has a stiffer feel way further for the clean spectrum. Even vintage DRs are like that. the little princetons are great. They have a wider sweet spot for sure though the full on voerdrive is loose and a little mushy comapred to a deluxe reverb. There's defintiely some looseness and grit you get from the cathodyne phase inverter versus the long tailed pair as well as the sweetness of 6V6 tubes being run right in their sweet spot for palte voltage and wattage disipation versus the DRs which are a 6V6 pressure cooker goosing 22 to 25 watts from 2 tunes designed to peak out at 18 when pushed with really high plate voltage. I loved my pricetons when iw as in highschool adn even after. If my favorite one hadn't beens tolen I would still have it.

when we jam if the suns up we are going balls to the walls and cranking it if we wanna just mess around, but the problem for my church is it wasnt built for a band, it has a really tall peaked cealing one the walls opens into another smaller room that bounces a ton of sound back into the sanctuary and our stage is hollow, it was made when the 90's style joel olsteen stuff was huge

but even at that from what you say i gurantee you were putting out more sound than the three of us

I don't know anything about churches or guys named joel so I will just smil and nod there... a lot of people think theya re blasting when they get room sound and echo bouncing back in weird spaces, but ti doesn't take much to do that... that's my practice level. In a band situation i am usually looking to feel my pants flap. interestingly, once you are getting a lot of reflections you're already loud enough to cause eharing damage so you might as well just pop some Rx earplugs in and go for it. For real, an ac30 use dinanger will tke your fucking head off. Most guys do not turn them up very far. My traynor and selmer are only rated at 50 watts bt even goosed down with ienfficient speakers they are rpetty damn loud to the point that I have to warn my neighbors if i wanna use one past 2 outside my isolated walkin clsoet. Like, i don;t feel that loud though but i know it is. I was ued to superleads turned up for the longest time so 15 to 50 watts at full tilt seems conservative.

you should try a princeton reverb though. If you are in a polite ensemble I tink its really a great amp. i was able to sue it for a big band in highschool with no issues cutting through and a great volume-turned-down jazzy clean with classic 60s reverb and even swampy trem when eneded (think killbill 2 intro tune)

i have a friend my ag who plays guitar for another church and he runs a drri and he maybe has it at 3 or 4 and i love the princeton to me its the perfect budget fender for people wanting a true fender tube amp, and i feel it gets overlooked since its 12 watts but its a respectable 12 watts

I justs tarted talking at you and it kept going:

I wouldn't call the pricneton reverb a budget fender, vintage examples are starting to cost as much or more than an original deluxe reverb.... I actually prefer the non-reverb models, both brown and black/silver to the reverbs event hough i sued to play reverbs. Now the non-reverbs are still a deal in vintage fender! And if you aren't a reerb junky they sound clearer and brekup with more crunch and less swamp. I had a friend who owned like 2 from every cosmetic including some white knobs and brownfaces which are awesome though i really kinda slant towards th brown deluxe for small bownface tone. Anyway, I guess you cna tell I am not a huge reverb guy unless I am playing jazz. For rockin' rock, even playing clean, i don't want any cloudy bullshit. Slapback or ping pong delays to me feel way better and clearer. Guys who double up delay and reverb are straight up nuts. What you can do to a recorded guitar in a mix is totally different than what you can pump into the frnt end or even what you can get away with in an FX loop. Anyway, i gotta tell ya that a well serviced vintage princeton easily make 15 watts clean power, man. Use a sesitive speaker (I had an old JBL in mine) and it can hang in any situation but super loud rock bands. Al though I sued one in every rock band Iw as in in highschool, just turned way up into overdrive and Iw as the only guitarist, always trios back then. But you might wanna check it out, you could run it at 5 right ebfore it breaks up versus 3 on the super reverb which is a little below where the reissues start to soudn respectable. Tools for the job, man. If you wanted to get all power tube drive I would say to get an ac4 for a church gig! If I were allowed to play in churches (I don't kow if I am allowed in them) I would be a dick and brng one of my EL34 amps and disconnect the volume control. Iw as always talking about doing that with my superleads because I ahted when soundmen would ltierally walk up and grab my volume control at sound check in rinky dink venues! And they did even though I usually had an attenuator in line just in case. Its like the lsoer soundmen at small clubs in like Maryland or North Carolina didn't get what the hot palte did back then. instead f asking me to take another 2 bD off they just walked up in a huff. I almost hit one guy. I knocked his ahdn away because I ahd decided to take out a vintage amp as my main amp instead of the '88 reissue and I know I said soemthing like "don't even touch that volume knob or your grubby figners will hurt the resale on this! Don't you know its blasphemy to play a 60s marshall below 9? I thought this was a ROCK music club!" I'm sure we got a lousy mix that night but I ahd asked him to keep me outta the PA and he miced me anyway. I just wanted to rip it and use the PA for vocals and some drum reinforceement and maybe some extra sub for the bass.

my 'new-waviest' (I like that word, you can use it) band was in highschool, also used a princeton reverb with a JBL alnico speaker, back up was eventually a princeton reverb with a JBL ceramic, ibanez chorus, boss flanger, tubescreamer and that was it for a long time. Played at 5 to 6 I think. Semi hollow with coil tappable buckers so i ahd a wide range at that elvel and even wider with the OD aailable for lead boost. But I definitely didn't just cop cure tones or anything, iw as doing my own thing with those modualtion pedals. I don't think I sued the ampreverb in that group. Anyway. You can do anything you (blake) wanna do with that set up. As long as there's a strong PA or the room is small with a quiet audience.

On the other hand, as loud as a vox is, its the right volume for so many situations because the sweet spot is super wide for clean and it'll start breaking up at a surprisingly reasonable volume, you justa ren't getting to gain-banger territory at low levels without soemthing in line. I do find that even a 30 watt vox tends to peak out at a point that will make some sounden groumble but its not unbearable, you know? After that it gets moredistorted and comrpessed but not much louder.

A lot depends on your attack. i find I sound more distorted than like anyone else I know through the same gear at the same settings with the same guitar. Its realy weird because my right hand is really controlled and I don't fret very hard. But for some reason what comes out of the guitar jack is super high voltage. Its really weird. There are so many people who tell me that with a plexi at 10 they can't get past acdc levels and I am shocked because every different superlead I ahd would get past acdc at 9 for me just right off the shelf the day I bought it. soemtiems at 8! It'd be in a 80s hard rock territory with anything stronger than a 60s style strat, no pedals. Its soemthing about how I play. I know it wasn't always the case because when i went from princetons and amster volume amrshalls in the alte 90s to superleads I ahd a lot of trouble for a couple years and then after while it clicked and now every amp seems to wanna give up the goods for me. The small amps seem to roll over and fetch now too. But these days I have a lot of trouble with overdrive pedals. Even 'transparent ones. I have one I really like right now and its all rpeset in for soemthing subtle that melds with the amps, and yet its not great for everything and it just ruins my tone soetimes or eats a great lick. I play into an OD and its a mess. Boosts I do fine with but they are looking for an amp that's dirtier (read louder) so its not managing things like an OD where its doing a smidge of boosting but bringing a little dirt to the party along with the voltage jump. One thing I always loved about OD versus clean boosts is that classic ODs have some tone shaping. Many of them roll off too much bass for my taste and don't put it back but if you use them as always on pedals they work wodners at helping you cut a mix and over the eyars I've gotten away from boosts that are flat or trying to be flat and have embraced treble boosters, mid-boosters, the boos fet bost, dod bifet preamp, the echoplex, the dynacomp, EQ pedals and the colorsund overdriver/power-booster. They all have tone controls or a built in EQ curve and that's the shit. Right now I kinda go abck and forth between the gasdget I built which sits between a brian may treble booster and soemthing likethe echoplex or boss fet preamp or I sue whatever is in my ABY switcher whch si really nice, has a mid only boost with 2 fixed mid humps boosts or a fully variable gain boost where you cna click in one of the 2 mid hums or go flat. I like to do just a few dB of gain and a mid boost to get my thang going. Tightens everything up, gets a little extra out of the first stage distrtion wise adding soem swirl to the sound I guess. Or grind? dunno. WHatever you would call it. So on your original point, if you are going to gauge down to a princeton tog et it to the edge of breaup on stage at church then I woudl say boost, but not a clean one. I would find an always on type of boost with some shape, try the EP boost or the dunlop echoplex maybe. And I would work the volume control to get different shades. Or stick adynacomp before it with the comrepssion up and the elvel down if you wnnna keep your ssutain clean and also not ahve to reach down for the volume all the time. I think this amp-based approach will be less of a rabit hole for you. Boost at the back of your signal chain, even maybe after your delay. I think the transparent thing will give you grief. Nothing si transparent and I find that once you start to extract a lot of juice from that 1sts tage it sounds funny unless you DO have soe eq in the voltage increasing device. Even a little 5dB lift can make your tone all funky with weird harmonics. A lot of tiems guys are like "wow that soudns rgeat" with those boosty soudns ut then they get in the band and thigns sound funky and they dislike it after that or the band dislikes it LOL

just on a tangent how loud is an ac15 im looking at getting that after a drri, id prefer to get a hw of the moneys there but it would give me two spectrums with the fender for good cleans and the vox for british style hollow cleans and a better driven sound hopefully

but also now that im expanding my pedal board my next 3 pedals will be a drive or fuzz, and then another delay and earthquaker levitation reverb so i can double them with my digidelay and holy grail to get some really airy aatmospheric cleans, ill also need a compressor soon too

also how would you go about getting a similar tone to the lead guitarist for these guys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlKhu0WPQGw

i know he's running a clean fender but im not shure how to dial in the delay and reverb, and im not sure if theres anything other than delay and reverb runnung

slightly less ehadroom for truly clean than a BF princeton but mor e volume range into light OD, it ahs to be pretty broken up before it compresses even with the stock rectifier from the 60s which none of them have in current production. With a soid state rectifier they are about the same as a deluxe reverb and with a GZ34 they are between a princeton reverb and deluxe reverb with more of a range of a grit to your touch, less abrupt. I am fond of vintage AC10s too, absically an ac15 with inefficient speakers. the enw AC10 is nothing like that. But its good at what it does, like a voxy princeton. its about alf as loud as 100 watt non amster amp at similar settings though the same speakers.

also how would you go about getting a similar tone to the lead guitarist for these guys ... i know he's running a clean fender but im not shure how to dial in the delay and reverb, and im not sure if theres anything other than delay and reverb runnung

no idea, that's the shittiest guitar sound ever. soudns like a fucking banjo in a trashcan... try a a good amount of repeats with a slap or faster delay time for bathtub reverb and then don't let me ehar it unless you want me to taunt you

Blake, get where I am coming from though, I did this and like this sound and think its not terribly broken up on any track and the cleanest guitar growls I guess in the bridge:

and this isn't pedal heavy, maybe the odd phaser here and there but tis amps on meltdown and no high gainers, not even a JCM800, all 60s and 70s shit

or this:

live recording, no sub100 watt amps used, all superleadsm showmans and SVTs. nd theya re blsiteringly distorted with no effects but some flange on the bridge and fuzz on the solo (I overdubbed the rhythm on my side under thsolo later I am cheater but it worked). I ahd my rig and my rhythm goon used one of my spare supers and borrowed the ngineers single showman.

i really like both of those, its got that timeless sound. but i may be getting the drri sooner now and finally own my own full fledged tube amp and not worry about a loaner or using the mustang i was tricked into getting when i got my first guitar, also the mustang i have the v2 is by far the worst amp ive ever played. i wanted a used ac4 they had for 200 but he talked me into the mustang by telling me how it had all these presets and all of them except the bass man and twin reverb sound terrible. the guy played me like a fool

used a kodified tubescreamer for harmonics for a few bars for extra cot on this one, otherwise plexis 18 to 100 watt, the oddd BF fender and I think and ac15 somewhere.

https://soundcloud.com/james-marchione-1/no-compromise?in=james-marchione-1/sets/under-your-bed

the 100 watt marshall bits are like dynamite

i wanted a used ac4 they had for 200 but he talked me into the mustang by telling me how it had all these presets and all of them except the bass man and twin reverb sound terrible. the guy played me like a fool

the ac4 is a really specific niche within the whole vox realm... especially old nes and the ac4tv... they don't do a ton... not the ebst amp for a guy who is starting out and isn't sure what eh wants.