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Vibrato/Whammy Bar on Epiphone Les Paul

Hi

I’m currently playing an Epiphone Les Paul Standard I bought a year ago. I’m very happy with it, but I would like to mount a tremolo on it. The thing is it’s an Epiphone, and I don’t know if Vibratos for Gibsons are compatible with Epis.

I would preferably mount a Bigsby (B3/B5/B7?) . I’ve also heard about Floyd Roses. What do you think? Had someone done this before on an Epi? And what’s best?
Are there any other "good" tremolos for les paul which are a bit cheaper?

Thanks a lot for helping Greetings Yann

unless you are an experienced woodworker do not attempt to add your own locking vibrato system to a guitar, especially a carve top.... if you really want to add a Floyd to your LP take it to a pro luthier, it will cost, but it will be done right. Installing the locking nut properly is of the utmost importance, go to someone with Floyd Rose experience... ask the shred guys at the local guitar store who they trust to work on their poodle-metal guitars. Some people do a Floyd without the locking nut and just use locking tuners, but the strings still bind in the nut unless you replace it with a self-lubricating material such as graphite or tusq. Also, if you go the locking vibrato route, be prepared for the hardware to this your tone substantially and change the balance of your guitar.

If you want to go the bigsby route and want it t be reversible and require no drilling then check out a Vibramate. Its a plate that allows you to mount certain bigsbies with existing holes on your Gibson or Gibson-alike guitar. The Bigsby won't have a lot of affect on your tone, but it will play havoc with the tension, so if you really like the way your guitar plays please keep in mind that adding a bigsby tailpiece, even one with the 'keeper bar' that adds downward tension to the strings behind the bridge, will make it so that you can't set it up to feel exactly the same as it did. That said as a former gretsch duo jet owner I can say the bigsby works very well on arch topped guitar (though I used mine sparingly and never miss it now that I am back to LPs and 335s). Also consider a roller bridge like the Wilkinson model you see on every parts website. I used that one on my duo jet and it held tune wonderfully even after prolonged bigsby abuse whereas the stock melita did not and the bigsby bar bridge was not intonatable. A stock Gibson ABR1 or Nashville bridge is not very vibrato friendly unless you are VERY tasteful with your bigsby use (which I assume you will not be since you mentioned the Floyd Rose).

Also check out the Stetsbar, its a really great vibrato alternative that works with all your existing post holes, keeps the Gibson style bridge, but allows it to pivot like the bigsby bar bridge (only it works much better than the bar bridge). It doesn't have the vintage cool factor of a bigsby, but its a better design for Gibsons in my opinion.

Your Epiphone can use any of these designs as long as you make sure to purchase a product with metric spacing instead of Gibson USA's English system spacing. Most aftermarket vibratos are available with the import metric sizing. Hope I helped you figure this all out.

All this said, you might want to just save your beans and buy a quality LP-style guitar with a stock bigsby (check out older, used Gretsch Electromatic Pro-Jets that were made in Korea, they were very good and are not worth much). The amount of money it will cost you to add a reliable vibrato to what you have is probably more than your Epi is worth.

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Many thanks for the reply!

Well we have woodworkers in the family, that would not be the problem, but it sounds quite scarry when I see the amount of wood you have to remove for a Floyd ... Otherwise, I've checked out the Vibramate, it looks like a great kit, but the price of it and a Bigsby is more than the actual value of the guitar (300 euros). I think the Stetsbar would be a great solution; the only problem I can't find it in France / Germany ..

Well we have woodworkers in the family, that would not be the problem, but it sounds quite scarry when I see the amount of wood you have to remove for a Floyd ... Otherwise, I've checked out the Vibramate, it looks like a great kit, but the price of it and a Bigsby is more than the actual value of the guitar (300 euros).

I am not a fan of the Floyd, it works well but it subtracts a lot from the tone of your guitar. Like I said when I summed up, its probably not worth making costly modifications to a guitar that is cheap when new and that has poor resale UNLESS you absolutely love, plan to keep it forever and do not expect to invest in another, better guitar. I am going to say something that might upset you, but you made a poor investment in a modern Epi LP for the price you paid. At the current exchange rates you spent between 325 and 350 USD on your epiphone. For about 100USD more you can get a much better LP copy on the used market. If you are happy though.... but if tis not a keeper don't sink another penny into it. Or whatever the Euro equivalent of a penny is.... I forget.

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I heard Epiphone made a les paul (Plustop Pro FX???) with a Floyd. It was in a Rob Chapman video. Look it up, it seems cool, but I don@t think they make it anymore. The original price was like £490 I think, so I don't know how much it'd be now.

I really like stetsbars, or Wilkinson trems, because Floyds do nick the tone, and Bigsby's (In my experience) just send the tuning to another planet. I had an Aria with a Bigsby, and the tuning was just horrific. One slight movement, and it was just gone.

Yes , I understand perfectly what you say. The thing is it's my first electric guitar; I started playing on electric a year ago or so; so I'm quite new in this world. It's clear that investing in a tremolo is an investement; in my case not very intelligent if I leave it on that guitar. That's why a Vibramate kit or a stetsbar would be perfect; when I change guitar one day I can keep the tremolo. Otherwise, I'm happy with the sound of my LP; I do not have something to compare it to; apart the affinity Telecaster of my sister; which sounds not particulary good.

I've also seen this one, but it looks quite scary to fix and the size is a bit enormous

I really like stetsbars, or Wilkinson trems, because Floyds do nick the tone, and Bigsby's (In my experience) just send the tuning to another planet. I had an Aria with a Bigsby, and the tuning was just horrific. One slight movement, and it was just gone.

that's more due to it being an Aria than it having a vibrato. Bigsbies are stable if you have a well-cut nut made form the right material and a suitable bridge. Even a stock Gibson bridge will work well if you keep up with de-burring the string notches in each saddle. Unless you want to dive more than a whole step and don't pull back on the trem arm close to a fulls tep to return the strings to proper tension, then all bets are off, but that's the case with all non-locking systems. You have to know its limitations and how to use it.

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Yes , I understand perfectly what you say. The thing is it's my first electric guitar; I started playing on electric a year ago or so; so I'm quite new in this world. It's clear that investing in a tremolo is an investement; in my case not very intelligent if I leave it on that guitar. That's why a Vibramate kit or a stetsbar would be perfect; when I change guitar one day I can keep the tremolo. Otherwise, I'm happy with the sound of my LP; I do not have something to compare it to; apart the affinity Telecaster of my sister; which sounds not particulary good.

leave well enough alone if you are happy with the sound... also, as a beginner, using a vibrato will distract you from improving your touch... focus on adding color to your notes and chords with your hands first. Focus on doing everything you can with the features your guitar already has... I am positive there are capabilities of the Les Paul design you haven't scratched the surface of yet.

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that's not a gibby or epi.... that's like when someone asks you what the best apple is retorting with "I like oranges."

I agree with you but that was not the question so go eat an orange while we take in the world's apple varieties. Don't nercropost just to shill for fender. Bad form, BB.

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Okay, man, I don't want to be mean. It was only my opinion, so just relax.

Well, to be perfectly honest, now, when I reread my message after your comment I understand that that one wasn't the best one. My bad, mate.

I was being kinda tongue in cheek.... sorry, I always forget the internet doesn't have a sarcasm button. We get these replies on ehre where people are like "I am looking for a stable whammy for my paul" or "is there an amp that's less than 20 watts that cops a good marshalls tack tone" and folks pipe up with "I like fender's whammy bars, get a fender or "I can get a passable classic rock tone with such and such OD pedal and my solid state practice amp, or that's what my mom tells me when I'm practicing" and I'm just like if I someone asks what the best tasting cheap brand of iced tea is don't reply to them by saying "lemonade is cheaper than iced tea and just as tasty." So my sarcasm ramps up. Sorry. Disgruntled old tech here... don't listen to me!unless you wanna learn a lot. I know things....

but I was half wondering if you just worked at Fender!

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Yep realise this post is over a year old, but all the talk of snack food got me intrigued.

I read it that not so much which is the best apple, but which is the best apple to make orange juice with.

OP wanted a Floyd, which would have seriously gimped the sustain thing the LP has going, so was offered a bigsby or alternative.

Was OP's first guitar and they had passable woodworking skills... maybe they have successfully gouged out a hole big enough to cram a Floyd on, then fucke* (self -censored) with the nut to get that happening with a Floyd clamp etc...

...or they went with a bigsby. which for a beginner on his first guitar wanting a Floyd for all the bomb diving and stuff would be like wanting an Orange juice and ending up sucking the crushed peel of your apple instead.

They either got an apple and glued orange peel over it or they made an apple juice and tried to pretend it tasted like an orange.

OP needed to try a few other guitars, (fender types, Ibanez types, all types), and find a working whammy bar, to realise that his ideal citrus hit probably grows on a different tree. then learn how to use it.

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and what have we all learned? when life hands you lemons, don't take a chisel to your budget guitar...

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I climbed to the top of this mountain for you to tell me that???

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exactly. take it to your $3000 one instead. mashing internet sarcasm button

waving middle fingers and penis

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waving middle fingers and penis

Unsure which is bigger. Just be careful after eating KFC which one you lick.

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