What pedal set do you think they own?

Hello and welcome.

Neither of your links work and you didn't mention the bands by name, so you'll have to make some fixes and add some identifying info before anyone can assist.

So you're more interested in what's generally common between these two different (but similar) guitar tones, rather than looking for info on exactly what amps, speakers, pedals, guitars, strings and tunings were used in each?

Also, both bands have two guitarists. Are you interested more in the lead tone or the rhythm tone?

Edit: correction: Lord Vapour only had one guitarist at the time of that video, not 2 -- the track just contain multi-tracked rhythm and lead parts, thus my confusion.

Are you a guitarist? A producer looking for a plugin recipe to spice up a guitar track? Why the curiosity?

I'd recommend picking one group, and one guitarist in that group. Asking for both guitarists in both groups is too much for one thread.

The reason for my curiosity? What do you think it might be? I liked the guitar tone. I want to play something in the same tone.

We get all types of obsessives here. I've learned not to make any assumptions.

If it doesn't bother you, I'd prefer the band Lord Vapour. Will you help me?

Lord Vapour's guitarist was Henry Fears, now of the band Waxx.

This is a community that responds well to visuals. Here are some photos and precise links to get everyone started/interested in the hunt.

On first pass, it seems Henry's fuzz isn't from a pedal, but from Orange amp heads -- a popular choice among stoner/doomer guitarists.

The 3 consistent elements in his pedal board are a Crybaby Wah (looks like a white Q105 in the video), an MXR Phase 90, and a Boss tuner -- no fuzz/OD/distortion pedal that I can see (video linked at the bottom of this post is cued up to a pretty clear zoom-in on his live pedal board). Regardless of venue, he's got some kind of Orange amp head going into some kind of 4x12 cabinet. Both that custom looking whitewashed guitar in the video and the Gibson SG he is sometimes seen with have some kind of humbucker in the bridge (as you'd expect).

Update: jimmarchi1 think's that's an Orange TH30 head in the video, on a straight (non-angled) Marshall 4x12 cabinet. I see the same. That Orange valve amp is likely the heart of this player's tone with Lord Vapour.

Just because he's using a certain setup in a music video, doesn't mean that's what you're actually hearing on the record, of course, but in this case I suspect it's at least close.

@jimmarchi1, feel free to chime in if your ears have some thoughts.

https://imgur.com/a/jHxL9K3

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https://youtu.be/FhAKk_w2PMI?t=1164

welp, that looks like an orange th30, the small size of the model name and knob layout are the tip off

welp, that looks like an orange th30, the small size of the model name and knob layout are the tip off

Thanks Jim. I came to same conclusion. I linked to a TH30 being demoed in a stoner rock context in my info dump reply.

I know the OP was hoping we could point him to a pedal or two to capture that tone, but in the example he asked for, seems like high-gain channel on an Orange tube amp is the answer.

EDIT: if one's Crybaby is white, as in the Burning Planet video, it's likely the 105Q model, right?

welp, that looks like an orange th30, the small size of the model name and knob layout are the tip off

Thanks Jim. I came to same conclusion. I linked to a TH30 being demoed in a stoner rock context in my info dump reply.

did you? shoot

I know the OP was hoping we could point him to a pedal or two to capture that tone, but in the example he asked for, seems like high-gain channel on an Orange tube amp is the answer.

there might be a fuzz involved, not sure... fuzzpedals are very personal, they're so quirky that no 2 people sound the same with them unless its one with diodes for clipping or octave like a muff or superfuzz

EDIT: if one's Crybaby is white, as in the Burning Planet video, it's likely the 105Q model, right?

to the best of my knowledge

there might be a fuzz involved, not sure... fuzzpedals are very personal, they're so quirky that no 2 people sound the same with them unless its one with diodes for clipping or octave like a muff or superfuzz

Interesting. Why wouldn't they put the fuzz pedal in their pedalboard if they were using one?

I just wasn't going to assume that was all that was there or the only fx they ever use, but I wasn't paying that much attention to what I was saying/typing. Disregard if you want. The tone in the diggin the fuzz video is very Marshall 800 meets ac30 where you linked but us really fuzzy in other parts. The choice of TH30 is interesting because the clean channel and power amp are very much ac30 topboost right down to the gz34 rectifier... not exactly a doom platform although voxes can get heavier than most people think. Maybe the details are a little more matchless/badcat with more power filtering yadda yadda... or maybe they went fixed bias which only a handful of 84 designs do, but that would bush closer to 45 watts I think... seems like a very similar concept to the hot cat 30 with a top boost clean and a minimalist high gain but I guess with the rocker 30 voice knob. that 2×el34 rocker 30 was doomy as hell. I almost bought one. don't know why they discontinued it, it just needed some time to find its market.

edit: if the th30 is making the super fuzzy tones its impressively

I just wasn't going to assume that was all that was there or the only fx they ever use, but I wasn't paying that much attention to what I was saying/typing. Disregard if you want.

Disregard? Never, lol.

I haven't owned a 6-string guitar since 1998. Any opinions I have on 6-string matters are just placeholder until you or another expert arrives on the scene.

I have a special fascination with doom/stoner rock -- Remember when I was a breath away from getting an SG and an FZ-2 back in 2024? That threat still feels real, Jim... I wake up in a cold sweat thinking about finding an underpriced SG on Craigslist with a ratty body and an expertly-repaired headstock snap that plays like butter.

I have a special fascination with doom/stoner rock -- Remember when I was a breath away from getting an SG and an FZ-2 back in 2024? That threat still feels real, Jim... I wake up in a cold sweat thinking about finding an underpriced SG on Craigslist with a ratty body and an expertly-repaired headstock snap that plays like butter.

If I ever part wth one of my SGs (unlikely) I'll sell it to you for the price I paid, which was low-to-fair at the time... even adjusting for inflation they're pretty affordable USA gibsons carefully selected for balance and unplugged sustain. I just don't think I can ever let them go, its so hard to find a winning SG, so many clunkers.

Oh my god. It's so enjoyable to read things from experts. Thank you so much. I really love these kinds of tones. I want to create sounds with these tones in my home. So I knew I would get the best support by consulting you. Thank you.

Expert might be strong, but I'm an experienced repair tech and gear aficionado/collector. I've modified, designed and/or built plenty of functioning junk that sounds cool and can take a beating.

I found the official service schematics for the TH30 while I was having breakfast and it's a weirdy! It has elements of the tiny terror, vox ac30, early sound-city/hiwatts like pete townshend used and a really weirdly configured common anode stage in the OD channel. Usually a common anode or cathode follower is a low gain, high headroom buffer stage which is configured mostly like a common cathode with a gain of about 100, but with the output taken from the cathode before the bias resistor to ground and voltage applied directly to the anode (plate) and signal applied to the grid as usual. Now in This instance the term common anode is a misnomer because the anode is not 'common' at a ground or elevated voltage reference. In this instance voltage is applied to the cathode and the anode is grounded, signal is still applied to the plate as usual. Its a REAL common anode, the anode or palte is grounded to 0v while the cahode charges with electrons via a 290v line from the PSU, completely upside down of a common cathode, which I've never seen in any tube amp. I was puzzled at first and thought I was reading it wrong or there was an error in the drawing, but I think that its meant to work that way and its going to affect the tone, the stage question is both a buffer and it can easily be overload by the revious 2 common cathode amps (despite the fact that have 50/50 voltage dividers attenuating their full gain) and it probably overdrives different that a standard common cathode, even if it's cold biased like in a lot of british amps (2203/4 was the first to do this), soldanos, 5150s and mesa rectifiers. The tone controls are the same design on both channels, but the shape knob on the overdrive uses a dual ganged pot so bass and treble are adjusted simultaneously. Both are Vox top boost tone circuits where bass adjusts bass and mids inversely and treble has an effect on upper mids. Usually this type of tone control is driven by a cathode follower, but here its driven directly from the plate of a regulargain stage like in a pete townshend hiwatt, its very similar to that version of the vox tone controls, but the values are dialed in for each channel. So on the shape control on the drive channel in one direction mid is cut and treble and bass are boosted and in the other direction it's the opposite, on the clean channel its treble n bass pete townshend model hiwatt with slightly tweaked capacitor values and a few other very minor changes to sort of hybrid it with the classic 3 capacitor vox tonestack that likes a lowm input impedance. Its a pretty unique amp, even the power supply is more hiwatt than vox, no choke, just RC power filtering, but otherwise its pure vox power amp, but it won't sound that way with the big 5w resistor in place of the LC filter (a choke is an inductor, L means inductor, R resistor, C capacitor)... it also has weirdo common anode stage driving the FX loop, not sure why or what it'll sound like.... maybe its more transparent til it overdrives? I would have to build one, my math ain't mathing.

If I ever part wth one of my SGs (unlikely) I'll sell it to you for the price I paid, which was low-to-fair at the time... even adjusting for inflation they're pretty affordable USA gibsons carefully selected for balance and unplugged sustain. I just don't think I can ever let them go, its so hard to find a winning SG, so many clunkers.

You're a prince, Jim. Thank you -- but even if your son doesn't play guitar now, there's a good chance he'd one day be a bit bent to hear you sold off any of your well-vetted pick-of-litter SGs.

If I ever part wth one of my SGs (unlikely) I'll sell it to you for the price I paid, which was low-to-fair at the time... even adjusting for inflation they're pretty affordable USA gibsons carefully selected for balance and unplugged sustain. I just don't think I can ever let them go, its so hard to find a winning SG, so many clunkers.

You're a prince, Jim. Thank you -- but even if your son doesn't play guitar now, there's a good chance he'd one day be a bit bent to hear you sold off any of your well-vetted pick-of-litter SGs.

you're probably safe from my son, if I was selling a vintage ac30 it would be one thing, but the SGs? I'm not selling them because I love them even when I'm not my playing them... right now my son has my candy apple red j-bass, he's way into it... he's also got my jimwatt amp modded so the normal channel has exra low and a 2x12 with fanes... yes I gave my 13 year-old a punchy 50 watt tube rig, it sounds hella good even at low volume, I designed a really clever ken fisher type I waster volume for it on a dual ganged pot that also vries the global negative feedback with a soecial emphasis on fizzy tones using a well placed 100pf cap, the presence circuit resides in the last preamp section, tone control recovery and fixed bias phase inverter bias supply/buffer, its a weirdy but it works great... if I decide to part with an SG I'll let you know, as you are probably aware I've liquidated multiple instruments, amps and pieces of gear for bargain basement prices to fellow EB mods; former moderator Narcist has my AC4HW which I sold for exactly what I paid and Eyesee got my ramsa mixer for basically shipping once I sent her out. There's probably other examples, but they're fx units and I forget. Its unlikely as I still occassionally play an SG, but I have too much stuff at almost 48, I'm so burried... in fact I'll let you know if I'm liquidating anything cool. I'm thinking of purging again.

... right now my son has my candy apple red j-bass, he's way into it... he's also got my jimwatt amp modded so the normal channel has exra low and a 2x12 with fanes... yes I gave my 13 year-old a punchy 50 watt tube rig, it sounds hella good even at low volume...

I can't even imagine having access to real gear at age 13. That's so awesome. Who is your son listening to, bass-wise?

I designed a really clever ken fisher type I waster volume for it on a dual ganged pot that also vries the global negative feedback with a soecial emphasis on fizzy tones using a well placed 100pf cap, the presence circuit resides in the last preamp section, tone control recovery and fixed bias phase inverter bias supply/buffer, its a weirdy but it works great...

Sounds delicious... audio demos?

if I decide to part with an SG I'll let you know

Thank you. At this point, if I ever do acquire and SG, I feel like you'd have to play it and give the thumbs up before I'd even put the money down.

"Yeah... a guy named Jim is going to show up at your place tomorrow with a portable workbench, some tools and an amp he built himself... if Jim gives your SG Standard the thumbs up, I'll accept your counter offer. Oh... Jim is going to need to play-test at midsize-venue volume, please warn your neighbors..."

...I'm thinking of purging again.

I need to do the same. All I do is bass in 2026, it seems. I haven't powered up a real synth since last year. I hate having old electronics sitting without regular use. It's immoral.