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Deciding what synth to buy

I'm looking for a good synth to add to a live DJ Set without a laptop. I have the new Pioneer nexus 2 range and also have the Toraiz Sp-16 which I'm using as my drum machine and sequencer. I've been looking at the Dave Smith OB 6, Moog Sub 37 , Virus Ti2 and the Roland System 8 but can't decide what to get. I want to get something with a good underground Techno sound to it and that will also flow well with the Toraiz. If you have any recommendations or suggestions I would really appreciate your input.

Cheers?

Do you need a polysynth of monosynth? It seems like you're looking at both.... do you need something with a built in sequencer? Do you need a keyboard? You listed 2 true analog synths and 2 modelling synths in there too.... have you heard them next to eachother? The virus is anlog-like but really has a sound of its own not unlike the nord lead.... its very modern.

original Detroit techno actually relied pretty heavily on FM synths... Derrick May is a noted DX100 user... a lot of Juan Atkins' classic stuff is loaded with FM sounds as well as the Korg MS10 and Sequential Pro One (so looking at Dave Smith synths isn't far off, but the OB6 is an oberheim reissue with the 2 pole fitlers and much slower envelopes than the harsh/snappy Pro One, way different sound, so you are looking at the wrong Dave Smith synth for traditional techno, oberheims are more of a synthpop thing, look at the prophet range unless you are looking to do something all your own)... and the MS20 reissue will cover all of the noisey sounds pretty well though I have never been a fan of that synth, just its filters and noise gen and even then the mono/poly filter is wicked too.

For 4 operator FM sounds the world's your oyster as there's the new Korg Volca FM module as well as Yamaha's new mini keyboard DX synth... and the old Yamaha TX racks that were also popular in 80s/90s Detroit are still readily available on ebay for a pittance. Techno also relied heavily on entry level lofi samplers from ensoniq and roland, though Akai eventually took over as the Detroit sound became famous and these guys had more money to play with. Octave One created the popular glitch vocal samples because they ahd trouble programming their Ensoniq sampling keyboard (I want to say it was an ASR10 but I think it was actually an even older, grittier sounding model). Old digital samplers have a sound though they are a total PITA to program as are older FM synths.

I am not a huge fan of the Virus as it is a jack of all trades. master of none... but if you can only buy one synthesizer the Virus will cover a lot of bases and is geared towards techno and acid house sort of analog noodling right out of the box without reading the manual. I wuld like to own one just as a utility module, but I never seem to bite the bullet on the buy in because there's other cool stuff out there that's cheaper and more interesting.

I have a sub phatty and a midi moog SE1, they both sound great. I seldom use them for techno though.

I get a lot of mileage out of my x0xb0x, Bassbot and Volca bass for techno and use them for much more than just acid twittering.

Also, the Juno 106 was huge in techno circles (as well as every other genre of electronic dance music) and still is. Its been ehard on more dance tracks than probably any other synth. I think roland system 8 can simulate it as well as a million other synths from their golden era, but god knows how accurately.

in old, underrated synths ensoniqs ESQ1 and SQ8 are killer wavetable type synths with tons of highly tweakable digital envelope and LFO generators as well as analog Curtis filters like you used to get in later Oberheims from the Matrix series that have a more aggressive, techno sound. They do require some menu diving, but they can handle ANY job. The Korg Poly800 is a good old DCO analog beast that's in the alpha juno camp but warmer.

and then there's the ARP Odyssey. Damn it sounds great. Its a real workhorse analog monosynth reissued by Korg very accurately in a mini key version or a module. I love mine and use it constantly, even just to make horrible noise after work... it has less deep bass and 1 less oscillator than your average moog but the synth is also less sloshy sounding and has better cut than a moog for leads.

If you want a moog monosynth that can also cover early oberheim sounds look at the Studio Electronics SE1 or SE1x, itstheir MIDI moog under a different name to avoid trademark issues but they also added some new features including oberheim 2 pole filtering.

everyone likes the bass station 2, I had a super bass station rack way back when. It was okay. The new one sounds pretty similar. Its like a more aggressive SH101 to my ear. The Arturia Mini and Micro sound really cool and can produce some very ahrd analog sounds for techno. I find them to be more in the Dave Smith camp than roland. Very biting and 'out front' in a prophet way but more versatile and very stable.

ugh, I could go on and on w/o giving a ton of info.... I suggest buying new from a retailer with a no-questions return policy

you should go and read all my synth reviews as I've been pretty detailed.

These guys also really know their shit:

http://equipboard.com/v8project

http://equipboard.com/whorse

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Hi jimmarchi1, appreciate the feedback. I'll definitely check out some of the other synths you mentioned and also your reviews. Not in a crazy hurry to get it so I'll do my homework before I splash the cash. Cheers

I updated my comment a little... good luck

go PLAY a bunch of stuff and decide if you need built in keys, on board sequencing, multiple voices or what have you... all these synths have not only different character but a very different feature set....

in your shoes I would stay away from the moog and for the same money buy a MIDI controller with a lot of nice keys and nice assignable mod wheels and maybe 3 more affordable synths, an analog mono bassline with a 303 style seuqnecer, a multi-oscillator analog module and an FM synth module (so much techno uses variations of the DX100 and TX81Z 'lately bass' patches, and you can't make that sounds with an analog synth, though you could get a sampler and load up some FM bass samples).

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After a ton of fun and exhausting research, we JUST published this: the best synthesizers to start out with. A lot of the ones in this thread are mentioned in the article.

It's more geared towards someone making the jump from VSTs to getting a suitable first hardware synth that's both accessible and powerful, and we kept our recommendations under the $800 mark (the Sub Phatty is the only one that goes near that, so truly the rest are under $500).

Any and all feedback welcome. It turned out to be one of my favorite pieces we've done. Hardware synths are so cool.

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99% great article... wish you had addressed other types of synthesis aside from analog and virtual analog though! the virus offers limited FM capabilities like an Oberheim Xpander and the Micro Korg has some very basic wavetables, but at heart they are VA's focusing on classic subtractive synthesis. There's a whole range of sounds prevalent in every form of electronic music since the mid 80s that cannot be generated via straight subtractive synthesis.

You should also add the Studio Electronics SE1 to your list of almost-rans. Its an incredibly powerful mini moog clone with full midi implementation, patch memory and a bevy of useful mods including a 2nd resonant filter with 2 modes at 12db/octave copped from the pre-Curtis-chip oberheims. Plus the filters are on a swappable card system so if you were inclined you can buy other cards to adjust the voice of the synth from Moog and oberheim to other things (for instance a 303 filter). If you already have a midi controller it can't be beat for price versus performance and the interface will be familiar to anyone who has used a mini moog emulation plugin. One can literally dial up anything from Yes to Human League to Dr Dre in seconds without knowing much of anything about synthesis. SE has beena round since I was in grade school (they started out modding model D's for MIDI as the famous MIDI Moog) but they haven't ever gotten a lot of press for some reason. More of a secret weapon. Maybe I shouldn't be publicizing the SE1 now that I have one.

I was also sad to see that you favored the MS20 to the ARP Odyssey reissue. While the MS20 is more versatile I think the ARP just sounds better. And it dials in really quickly.

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