What gives an amp it's character?

Is the Deluxe reverb too far removed? 22w... still furking loud I know.

the deluxe reverb is one of my favorite amps, however it has little in common with a marshall or a tweed, its voiced different and the topology is way different

its great at doing its thing though if you like that... best pedal amp EVER

you seem unclear on what you want though, a new low volume tone or an amp that will give you a semblance of what you have at a lower level

little in common with a marshall in potentially the same way my dialling down a marshall with fender speakers has little in common with marshall?

Sounds like a job for ears. I am too far off formula to be considered typical.

there's a response factor of a cathode follower preamp you are omitting, its feel, the deluxe is not just dialed down (though the gain is mighty low by modern standards even to drive 22 watts), due to internally higher impedances it has a different feel

anyway

I gotta tell you I see you really enjoying my tweed pro... if you were local I'd invite you over today to bring you guitar and pedal board and try my whole stable

all 4 voxes, the matchless, the selmer, the traynor and the lovely pro in all its molten tweedy splendor

the differences aren't fully audible, they are a feel thing that effect your playing! I have 4 ac30s because each different era has a different response to my playing and I do different stuff through each one... the 70s one has punch, kicks like a mule, while the modern one gains up early but compresses late compared to the all but the 62, has extr features and is a good inbetween.... the 90s RI has the clean of cleans and the 1962 is so spongey, its so compressed and almost dirty even fuly clean, it sounds hot and on fire all the time and you play different stuff through them all

ridiculously unclear. I love my sound, but cannot have my sound due to volume constraints. I do not want to keep her just for keeping her, if she doesn't get played she is missing out. But I cannot bear losing her. not even in a hoarder way.. she has me trapped.

Maybe I need something else, maybe I will go see my old boss, see if he has a tweed pro laying about. He owned a gorgeous two storey music shop, back when I was too young to know exactly what I was doing.

He got a guitar in on consignment, had it up for $800, told me I could buy it for $400, but someone bought it before I could commit. Little double cutaway Les Paul junior, tobacco burst. Seeing the prices on them nowadays kinds makes that hurt a bit more.

His keys room had a Juno in it and a few others that made me drool by voice alone, had a room full of cases filled with drool guitars. He recently has opened a vintage vibe store, I think I need a visit.

the pro, super and bandmaster are 99% the same circuit, different transformers and speakers, all very similar and gloriously gooey even clean

go shopping! I wish I could invite you over to try MY stuff as its a wide range of sounds and feel

straight or reverb?

are the three effectively (after a quick goog) 1x12, 2x12 and head and cab respectively?

no no, tweed, the reverb amps are black/silver-face and all different, great but different... love the pro reverb, but its not a tweed pro at all, basically a bf bandmaster with reverb in a 2x12.... the super reverb is its own thing entirely, a reverbed tremolux 4x10 combo.... some bassman DNA in the 2ohm output....

TWEED NO REVERB, must be TWEED covering, distinct circuits in tweed, Jim Marhsall and Ken Bran's inspiration

1, 2 and 3 10" then?

1x15 pro, 2x10 super (mmm), 3x10 bandmaster.... the bandmaster is rare and theloudest by a smidge for a couple reasons but with a unique feel when riffing.... you might wanna restrict yerself to the pro and super for loudness reasons

the pro is smoother due to the 15", the super has some midrange cut but its not harsh and the bottom is there too as the 10s couple well

Thanks so much! filled my head. so patient! I have relatives in California, considered the option, but geographically out of the question for a quick drop in at any point.

Owe you beer.

I am drinking beer, we're cool then!

I love amp talk, Terry. As a tech I loe how the circuit translates in undescribable ways! you feel it and love it, it even shows upon a recording but no one can define it.

MAGIC

It seems almost silly I know. Like having a muscle car for groceries shopping, or a trophy wife for her cooking.

my hot ass wife could not cook (but goddamn she could fuck)... not a bit! I cooked... and a good thing since I am a trained chef... and my Z3 roadster proved to be totally impractical and I gave it back to the motherinlaw

but amps? aaaaaampsssss

keep the 2203

also. get a clone, real tweed is 3k+ in the USA, clones and RIs sound fine

mine's not old, I am mojoing her in thru hard playing

We supported the Buzzcocks

+9,999 masterclass gigging points

also see if you can try any of these "boutique amps" for you shattering glass not so clean sound:

matches DC30

Dr Z Route 66

Dr Z Z28

bad cat wild cat 40

y'know Terry, this week I took a sec and did an experiment, I took a matched pair of JJ 6V6es (they handle the same plate voltage as an EL34, more than even the ebst vintage 6V6) and popped them in my Traynor and biased them up to make it a 20 watter and its really darned close to the EL34 stock sound, just about 1/3 less loud at comparable settings. Clean (ish, its a gritty sounding circuit) the sound is chimier with tighter lows and a more compressed response but its bedroom level through my low efficiency 2x12 (has some very light magnet 80s celestions in it at 70 watts handling) even pushing the power tubes into a creamy/crunchy breakup and it still hits the speakers plenty hard to get classic rock overtones from them... totally non-destructive mod for EL34 amps I think I mentioned before, but it really sounds good

just make sure you rebias and set your impedance a notch lower than the cab's rating

Wicked! I think getting a 212 will be a better solution in the long run.

I hope to fire up the studio later this week, still doubling over in coughing fits from the throat and chest infection, but should lay a scratch for Try by early next week for your tick or cross.

I will also record my "clean" sound from the Marshall with a few different guitars just to let you hear the sound I have fallen in love with.

With luck it will strike familiar with something you have heard.

I am just gonna grab a quick nap.... Been up just on 21hrs, should be back in about 3. Talk soon!

okay, have a good nap, you must need it! so here's some dirt on perceived cabinet volumes:

the 2x12 will distribute/project your sound less distance but still be technically as loud using normal measuring practices about a foot from the cone if the speakers are the same efficiency and basic response curve... now putting lower efficiency speakers in will really give you some dropping as every 3dB decrease in efficiency will provide a 30-50% volume cut per watt at 1 foot from the cone (its a logarithmic scale, so the 1st 3dB cut about 50%, then an additional 3dB down is 30 or 40% quieter measured at a foot but really you won't find speakers lower than like 95dB, median is about 98dB, though there's some swing in different manufacturer's specs due to different measuring conditions and outright lies to make their product appear more robust on paper).... you couple in the 50% less projection from the smaller enclosure and it should really help with the neighbors

you have some fender speakers (probably made by eminence) and an EV right now, right? Emis, even the OEM models, tend to be pretty efficient and EVs are hugely efficient speakers with long throw cones (designed to maintain or increase efficiency at distances greater than 1 foot). You probably have a system efficiency of about 100dB or so depending on the fender speaker specs. If you look at speakers with a 98dB efficiency (medium magnet ceramics and Jensen style alnicos with higher handling) you will be getting some volume cut even close to the cab while still working the amp hard internally the way tis designed to be run.... if you go down lower into light magnet turf you will be knocking a lot more volume off, but you will need at elast 100 watts of handling for safety really limiting your options. Weber speakers DT series designed for Derek Trucks comes to mind and may give you the more American tones of your current rig, but in sub 98dB speakers my favorite is the 80s Celestion G12S50. I like the even lower efficiency 80s G12L35 too but 2 of those won't handle your amp with all 4 tubes in and you will have to pull a pair of tubes and halve amp impedance to avoid blowing them. And at 50 watts the 35 tends to break up prettye arly, get growly, and you might not like that given that you like EVs whch have late distortion even when pummeled (and handle 300 fucking watts)....

so with similar speakers in a 2x12 it won't sound quieter to you (though maybe darker as the cab is shorter and not blasting in your ear when sitting on the floor), but it'll be a little quieter to your family and a good deal quieter to your neighbors, maybe not enough for everyone's comfort though.... using really inefficient speakers (sub 98dB which is greenback level as well as a lot of other classic designs with decent power handling) may drop you down low enough though wen you factor in the reduced projection... given you are a 100 watter your choices of low efficiency speakers are somewhat limited, as I mentioned, given that most manufacturers never made a low efficiency speaker with 50 watt+ handling because low efficiency used to be considered a budget model back when everyone wanted to be louder and louder

that help?