DC Versus Marvel

I have my own strong opinion on this matter and I would like to see what you guys say about this?

If the DC Universe suddenly fused with Marvel Universes 616 and an impromptu fight broke out between the universes, who would win and why?

Keep in mind, they all must fight. Most of the heroes of both universes would join forces to figure out how and why this happened, but that's not fun to debate. They must fight.

I have my own strong opinion on this matter and I would like to see what you guys say about this?

If the DC Universe suddenly fused with Marvel Universes 616 and an impromptu fight broke out between the universes, who would win and why?

Keep in mind, they all must fight. Most of the heroes of both universes would join forces to figure out how and why this happened, but that's not fun to debate. They must fight.

first off, so many of the characters cancel eachther out... Namor and Aquaman for instance? new mutant and teen titans? come on guys... also, I think DC and marvel already did a miniseries with their universes fused, but I am not positive as I burned out on comics after Chris Claremont quit x-men the 1st time

I don't think they ever made it a full out war. I think it was some heroes against villains thing.

Just because someone's powers are similar doesn't mean one of them isn't more powerful than the other. I think Aquaman would win a toe-to-toe with Namor. He can swim 15 mph faster, he has way less weaknesses (like Namor is sensitive to pollution), hes physically stronger, and he can heal himself.

The only time the fight would be in Namor's favor would be when they were equipped with amazing items. Namor was entrusted to carry the Time Gem of the infinity gauntlet and another time we had the Phoenix live in him. Just on base states though, Aquaman has the advantage.

For me, DC would win. They have Superman who is essentially a God. They even had to scale his powers down over the years.

The White Lantern is a deity killer. Not only can he recruit more members to be a Lanterns, but he has 1 hit a character that could not be harmed by every Lantern in the universe during a combined attack.

Both sides have multiple super-geniuses. Most of the masterminds on both sides are great at understanding and invention but there is one genius that stands above all others as a tactician, Bruce Wayne. Unlike Marvel's geeks, DC's often have no powers. Bruce Wayne and Lex Luthor must be able to out-think gods and ancients without having any innate powers. If we were to just put Stark VS Wayne, DC would win I think. Stark has more weaknesses and relies heavily on his equipment more than he does on out-thinking and out-maneuvering his opponents. Batman is willing to go farther than anyone else to win. When its on the line, he will cheat, die, and even kill loved ones in order to achieve the best results.

Speedsters. Even in a one on one of the Barry Alan Flash versus Quicksilver, The Flash is faster. He can actually time travel with it due to his tie with the speed force. No items needed. So if great items like the Infinity Gauntlet were left out, control of time goes to DC. There are time travelers in Marvel, but they are all reliant on machines and technology to do so (Apocalypse, Cable, Bishop, Stryffe). This is a major disadvantage.

The Black Hand. Someone who controls the dead. Every super hero or villain from both sides being risen from the dead and given the powers of a black lantern. It nearly killed the entire DC universe. With the help of DC, I think it would definitely end Marvel's.

Lantern recruitment. The rings of the corpses recruit new members and 1 in particular holds a threat over Marvel. The red lantern rings force themselves onto those who have great rage inside and then clouds the minds of the new lantern with so much rage, they are unable to control themselves. These rings finding their way onto the fingers of Hulk, Wolverine, Punisher, and Antman would be detrimental to Marvel. Can you imagine a hulk flying around, drooling napalm, and having the rage inside him multiplied unstably? Technically, Hulk grows in size pending how angry he is. A red lantern hulk could be building size or more.

I think it would take a creative twist to give Marvel a chance at winning.

Oh, Jim Lee was my favorite artist. It would cartooney but sharp and bright. When someone says X-Men, his art is what I think about.

Oh, Jim Lee was my favorite artist.

Mine too. I went to art school because I wanted to be Jim Lee whn I grew up but I just don't have the talent. I still have a pile of x-men and wildcats issues signed by the man himself as well as a number of sketches he gave me at signings. I also loved Frank Miller's Wolverine miniseries and I grew up on John Byrne's x-men and fantastic4. Great stuff. The Jim Lee and Claremont era of uncanny x-men and early (no superlative) x-men in the 90s was really a high water mark in comics for top notch art and storytelling.

I don't think they ever made it a full out war. I think it was some heroes against villains thing.

Just because someone's powers are similar doesn't mean one of them isn't more powerful than the other. I think Aquaman would win a toe-to-toe with Namor. He can swim 15 mph faster, he has way less weaknesses (like Namor is sensitive to pollution), hes physically stronger, and he can heal himself.

The only time the fight would be in Namor's favor would be when they were equipped with amazing items. Namor was entrusted to carry the Time Gem of the infinity gauntlet and another time we had the Phoenix live in him. Just on base states though, Aquaman has the advantage.

For me, DC would win. They have Superman who is essentially a God. They even had to scale his powers down over the years.

wait! what about the Shi'ar imperial guard? those guys are all directly based on DC's Legion of Superheroes and have identical powers! Gladiator would neutralize Superman.

Both sides have multiple super-geniuses. Most of the masterminds on both sides are great at understanding and invention but there is one genius that stands above all others as a tactician, Bruce Wayne. Unlike Marvel's geeks, DC's often have no powers. Bruce Wayne and Lex Luthor must be able to out-think gods and ancients without having any innate powers. If we were to just put Stark VS Wayne, DC would win I think. Stark has more weaknesses and relies heavily on his equipment more than he does on out-thinking and out-maneuvering his opponents. Batman is willing to go farther than anyone else to win. When its on the line, he will cheat, die, and even kill loved ones in order to achieve the best results.

If Bruce Wayne were DC's general I would give it to DC for pure strategic brilliance, but the heroes and villians of the DC universe have trouble getting along with the bat, he's moody and tough to deal with and I just don't think anyone will take orders from him. His no-holds-barred attitude towards victory is one of the traits that would spoil his attempt to lead DC's army of heroes and villains. Also, if Batman were in charge of DC I would consider having Kang the Conqueror lead Marvel's army. This is a man who is such a brilliant strategist that he managed to found an extra-temporal empire. He also must have exceptional leadership skills to govern such a huge domain and constantly fend off the fantastic 4 and avengers! He has also managed to work with the good guys plenty of times over the years. And what about the Gamesmaster? Hes an immortal who has had innumerable lifetimes to perfect his skills at games of strategy and he is utterly unscrupulous and ruthless. The Gamesmaster has a machiavellian drive for victory. Thanos is no slouch either. And do I need to bring up Dr fucking Doom?

Speedsters. Even in a one on one of the Barry Alan Flash versus Quicksilver, The Flash is faster. He can actually time travel with it due to his tie with the speed force. No items needed. So if great items like the Infinity Gauntlet were left out, control of time goes to DC. There are time travelers in Marvel, but they are all reliant on machines and technology to do so (Apocalypse, Cable, Bishop, Stryffe). This is a major disadvantage.

you may have a few points here, without a doubt the Flash is way faster than quicksilver... QS was always a second-rate mutant, even if Magneto is his dad (though his comic relief factor as a member of x-factor was outstanding)

The Black Hand. Someone who controls the dead. Every super hero or villain from both sides being risen from the dead and given the powers of a black lantern. It nearly killed the entire DC universe. With the help of DC, I think it would definitely end Marvel's.

Lantern recruitment. The rings of the corpses recruit new members and 1 in particular holds a threat over Marvel. The red lantern rings force themselves onto those who have great rage inside and then clouds the minds of the new lantern with so much rage, they are unable to control themselves. These rings finding their way onto the fingers of Hulk, Wolverine, Punisher, and Antman would be detrimental to Marvel. Can you imagine a hulk flying around, drooling napalm, and having the rage inside him multiplied unstably? Technically, Hulk grows in size pending how angry he is. A red lantern hulk could be building size or more.

I think it would take a creative twist to give Marvel a chance at winning.

You are forgetting a pile of insanely powerful Marvel 'cosmic' characters who can go toe to toe with the lanterns... I mean, could Mistress Death revoke Black Hand's power to raise the dead? I wouldn't want to piss off Galactus either! nor do you want to tangle with the Celestials unless you are an absolutely 1st rate power.

I admittedly was not too familiar with Gladiator. I looked him up as you mentioned him and it seems most fans believe he's not as powerful as Superman for one reason or another. He's also reliant on his mood to be strong? Something about having low confidence in the task makes him weak. In my eyes, there is no one person that can take Superman. The dude can lobotomize someone with his heat vision in such a minute and perfect way that it doesn't leave visible damage to the victim.

It would be a very low chance in seeing everyone allow Batman to lead the charge. Fortunately, he's proven in the passed that when he's the outsider of the group and everyone thinks he's given up he's forming a plan that will override the main groups'. You do mention some hard strategists. Gamemaster I would par with Raz Al Ghul. They both have the immortal, long life experience. Vandal Savage also had that experience. Kang could be interesting.

I don't know if Death could mess with Black Hand's powers. She could refuse to let new people die pending how they die. If he were still allowed to raise the dead, he'd have a pretty large army according to http://marvel.com/universe/Category:Deceased When Thanos was holding Death captive, she didn't seem to be able to stop him from doing anything. He killed half the universe with a snap and it never showed her stopping him. Even when he started killing the ones who could save her, she didn't save Cyclops from suffocating or any of the others.

I think the Lanterns would overtake the cosmic characters.Their numbers can be so great and if they recruit some of the weaker or normal characters in DC it would really up the advantage. Even the non-fighters like Louise Lane could potentially be a lantern. I think a white lantern could go up against a celestial but I don't know how many of them at once. If nothing else, Superman could be used there as well :) He lifted Eternity and a book with an infinite amount of pages. If DC didn't have Superman, this would be a lot easier on Marvel. He's just too good. DC has a character named Mister Mxyzptlk who is essentially Thanos with the Guantlet in terms of power. He can just think up a universe and have it exist. It works the other way around too. I don't know whether or not he has the power to do this with all beings, but it would be a game ender if he could just imagine the celestials exploding.

You make a lot of good points and DC probably has the edge if only because of the man of steel, though arming Gladiator with a chunk of Kyptonite would up the big G's confidence and powers as well as weakening the big blue boyscout. The Lanterns are pretty intimidating but they are not without their weaknesses, plus there are tons of Novas too. The Nova corp is less powerful but they are incredibly numerous. I think if all the titans banded together with the Novas they could keep all those Lanterns busy fighting and re-recruiting for a little while!

I still think Marvel's characters have better teamsmanship versus DC's most powerful and/or cleverest characters who are on the irascible side of the personality spectrum. Mxyzptlk is totally unpredictable for instance. Maybe he could get rid of an army of celstials with a thought, but would he? A Doctor Doom or Thanos is able to work with the good guys when he sees advantage in it and Marvel's heroes are traditionally more than willing to utilize the talents of their arch-enemies when they need to. Hell, Magneto and Emma Frost have both run the school for gifted youngsters at various times. There's an element of comraderie and grudging admiration to the rivalry between Marvel heroes and villians, plus there is a larger ethical grey area in the Marvel universe. Only Luthor seems to have this quality in the DC world (apart from some inconsequential Bat-Baddies). Everyone in Marvel's universe has sophisticated movitves beyond truth, justice etc, so its a rare Marvel Villian who is truly malevolent and incapable of behaving to fight a common foe. Many of Marvel's baddies have a certain level of enlightened self-interest at the least. DC villians have typically been a lot more sociopathic and would turn on their arch-enemies in a heartbeat to settle an old score even if it meant a real hit for team DC. Anyway...

This could be a great miniseries if we wrote it. When will someone else chime in? I can't believe that we are the only 2 comic book geeks on EB.

I've been looking over DC's most powerful beings and most of these guys I've never even heard of. A lot of them are in the same Deity genre. The top 4 most powerful in DC are The Presence (literally God), Lucifer, The Angel Michael, and a former angel of God's wrath called The Specter. I had heard of Specter before because of blackest night but never knew much about who he was until today. So the powers of Black Hand as the Black Lantern even extends to angels and demons.

When it comes to taking out Superman for the sake of DC's loss, we have to remember that there are others like him. His cousin Kara, Bizarro, Superboy Prime, Composite Superman, Cyborg Superman. There may even be more Kryptonians out there somewhere like Zod. Superman is only special because he is an alien in the wrong part of the universe. Anything other Kyrptonians stand a good chance of matching his power. They wont have the experience he has with it, but they should still be as strong in theory. Superman's villains bring the pain as well. Darkseid is essentially a more powerful version of Thanos. His Omega Beams are supposed to be 1 hitter quitters for anyone or anything they hit. Doomsday however has the unique gift of being unable to die the same way twice. Doomsday took a shot from those beams and still had enough gumption to knock Darkseid out afterwards.

DC villains do eventually screw each other over but it's because they are all chiefs and there's not enough Indians. Marvel has a lot of Indians that work together. The brotherhood of mutants for example is made up of 3 powerful mutants and the rest are guys like pyro, avalanche, blob, and toad. Those guys are softer personalities and are meant to be lead. When you get groups like the Injustice League, you have Luthor, Joker, Grod, Black Adam, and Sinestro. Guys that all took on large teams of heroes by themselves at points and usually inclined to be the leader of their own groups. I think in this case, it would take the writing to bring DC down. They'd have to write in the double crossing and such. For Marvel's side, I can see Doom trying to turn on Marvel. Whenever he thinks he has the perfect moment he goes for it, even when he's wrong. I could even see Magneto pulling a XX if he was confidant enough in victory.

According to marvel's website, there are 500 Novas. There are no less than 7200 Green Lanterns, not including the other corps. Larfleeze is listed as one of the most powerful beings in DC too. One of his Orange Lantern traits is that he has a power copy of everyone he's ever killed that fight for him on command and reside within his lantern. The Orange Lanterns technically only have 1 member, but when he battles you see a cloud of Orange Lanterns fighting. He has charged his ring to 100,000% power and that would double if he was in the presence of a Blue Lantern. Mind you, all of the lantern rings possess the ability to split like a single cell and recruit more lanterns. In a live or die situation, we could be seeing 10's of 1000's of lanterns out there. With Kyle Raynar, he may convert them all into White Lanterns and then we'd have an infinity gauntlet level event. Every time a lantern falls, their rings seeks a new recruit. If the rings were limited to recruiting in the DC universe, they potentially have 7 billion reserves on earth alone to be brought to the fight. Granted, they would be nearly useless as they wouldn't have the training, but some of them would have natural gifts that would allow them to make a difference.

I feel I also need to mention this. Marvel is also Disney, He-Man, and Howard the Duck. Do you guys really want that to live forever?

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Darkseid isn't nearly as clever as Thanos though... in my opinion at least. Anyway, I need to process all of that. That was a blast of info, some of it outside of my comic book era (I didn't keep up with doomsday after superman died and returned as I was getting out of mainstream comics)...

Darkseid isn't nearly as clever as Thanos though... in my opinion at least. Anyway, I need to process all of that. That was a blast of info, some of it outside of my comic book era (I didn't keep up with doomsday after superman died and returned as I was getting out of mainstream comics)...

The Doomsday that killed Superman in "Death of Superman" was a pupai or baby form of Doomsday. When he comes back to life, he is then immune to dieing from being beaten to death since that's the way he died in Death of Superman. He comes back, is allowed to mature, and is way worse than before. He was so powerful the next time that Superman could not figure out how to even slow him down. Superman had to resort to using weapons, armor, and a whole lot of help. He took Doomsday through a wormhole to the end of time and left him there until he could find a way to end him.

THEN.... we have Doomslayer. This was created when Darkseid trapped Doomsday into an eternity tunnel. Doomsday, living millions of years in what we perceive as a few days allowed him to evolve into an even more disgustingly strong version of himself that is super intelligent to boot. He actually sets out to kill all versions of Doomsday left.

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Darkseid isn't nearly as clever as Thanos though... in my opinion at least. Anyway, I need to process all of that. That was a blast of info, some of it outside of my comic book era (I didn't keep up with doomsday after superman died and returned as I was getting out of mainstream comics)...

The Doomsday that killed Superman in "Death of Superman" was a pupai or baby form of Doomsday. When he comes back to life, he is then immune to dieing from being beaten to death since that's the way he died in Death of Superman. He comes back, is allowed to mature, and is way worse than before. He was so powerful the next time that Superman could not figure out how to even slow him down. Superman had to resort to using weapons, armor, and a whole lot of help. He took Doomsday through a wormhole to the end of time and left him there until he could find a way to end him.

THEN.... we have Doomslayer. This was created when Darkseid trapped Doomsday into an eternity tunnel. Doomsday, living millions of years in what we perceive as a few days allowed him to evolve into an even more disgustingly strong version of himself that is super intelligent to boot. He actually sets out to kill all versions of Doomsday left.

It sounds like a lot happened in the DC universe (I know I missed a lot in Marvel, but I am getting caught up) since I stopped following mainstream comics and started cruising around the USA on tour and stuff... I don't even remember finding out what Doomsday's deal was back in the 90s... I remember him dying, but that's it!

Basically, one of the Guardians created him in an attempt to make a perfect being through evolution. They would make a baby, leave him in the wild, let him die, take the cells off the body, and make a new clone from those cells. They kept doing this over and over until the environment couldn't kill him anymore and it just kept getting more and more progressive. Eventually, he developed immunity to everything that was killing him. Now, since Superman beat him to death, he cannot die from being beaten to death again.

One way I catch up on comic stuff I missed are these 2 YouTube channels. Ones more for entertainment and the other's more for knowledge.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmA-0j6DRVQWo4skl8Otkiw

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKxQmKgrkUv4S7P5w0pLayw

I am thinking DC and Marvel could collide thru the astral plane where the Shadow King hides out.....

I cannot believe NO ONE ELSE chimed in on this amazing topic!!!!

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well Hulk, you may be green but gamma rays are no kryptonite, dude

I don't agree with this statement, but a friend of mine recently told me "DC characters are created over powered so people will have something to look up to. Marvel characters are designed to have flaws so people can relate to them."

For every marvel character with a disability is a DC character with a worse one I feel.

Tony Stark - Alcoholic Speedy (Flash) - Heroin Addict

Magneto - Separated from parents during Holocaust Batman - Parents murdered in front of him (Barry Alan FLASH had it even worse. He went in time to the moment his mother was murdered and raped and because he stopped it as a time traveler and made the universe worse by it, he had to go back a second time to hold his first self down and let it happen. Barry Alan watched his mother go through this twice in person.

Due to me liking Marvel more as a kid and DC as an adult, I associate each brand with that age group.

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This is a great topic. I don't know what's better, the fact that it's on EB in the first place ... or the fact that you're taking it so seriously. I'm so happy right now, I have found new friends :) haha

Well I am going to keep this really simple. I grew up liking DC because (yes, it's true) they were my Dad's comics. I actually remember the moment when he explained to me that there were super heroes and super villains. It was all very exciting to learn. Batman instantly became my favorite, not sure why. But this was cemented for eternity when Michael Keaton's movies came out. Also when I fell in love with Danny Elfman's scoring. Anyway, fast forward to college, and I still have read only a handful (like five or less) Marvel comic books from cover to cover. Tons of DC books, barely any Marvel. Now I did watch the Hulk TV show reruns, and I did see the Captain America TV movie special (1989?) but I was much more interested in the Flash TV show and other DC titles. Now fast forward to recent years (2008-current) with all the Marvel movies. OH MY G-D yes. This is what I was missing. I am such a huge fan of Marvel now. I actually shed a tear [of joy] near the end of Avengers: Assemble. Batman and DC are still my favorite for the reasons above, but I'm definitely into Marvel much more than before. Agents of Shield is one of my regular shows (along with Arrow and Flash, duh).

Who would win? I gotta vote DC. Gotta stay true to my roots. ;)