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Super sonic and deluxe reverb

I'm finally able to afford one of these two beasts I've been eyeing and i just want opinions I've played both and more than likely will get the Deluxe Reverb but i like the little bit of hair the super sonic has and the fact its a little less common

Also what are peoples general thoughts on the bass breaker

Just looking to pick people's minds not wanting someone to decide for me

i prefer, in this order:

  1. super sonic
  2. bassbreaker
  3. deluxe reverb

the deluxe reverb is going to be the best clean tone for sure and have the ebst feel when pushed because of the tube rectifier.... also, channel switchers are inherently less reliable ebcause even high end gold plated relays are sensitive to changes in temp and humidity and have a much shorter lifespan than all the other parts in the amp.... and the supersonic also has a lot more features even not controlled by relays! all those mini-pushbottom PCB switches are also prone to failure and if they fell in a 'full off' position they will disable the channel. Will this happen to YOUR supersonic? Got me. But its more to worry about if you're gigging/touring without a backup. For all the reissues faults I would feel safer with the clssic, bulletproof design of the DR even though its built on a budget friendly PCB (I am not entirely antiPCB, but fender doesn't use military grade ones that I feel great about and even the toughest PCBs are more delicate to work on in a dressing room right before a show whereas traditional fender eyelet construction used up until 1980 is easy to do simple repairs to in a hurry without fear of making a new problem while fixing the old one).

in favor of the supersonic? its clean channel gets in the ballpark of the 2 blackface preamp voicings (bassman and everything else -- yes, every BF fender but the bassman shares the same preamp)... its 2 channel and the gain channel soudsn pretty good as these type of designs go (some people really like this whole style of amp, me? not so much, but this one's well done, especially at this price point) and is capable of a lot of shades of dirt. The whole amp is pretty versatile and comes in 2 wattages that both sound pretty good and you can get the one that's right for you. Oddly, for this amp I prefer the extra headroom of the 6L6 version. Downside apart from fear of the complicated circuitry failing at a show? Lots of knobs to set. If you use channel oneof a DRRI its a volume bass and tone. You can get a sound up in seconds, especially if you're a pedal guy and you just need the ebst baseline tone. Just dial up bass 2, treble 5 or 6 volume between 3 and 6 and lean on your effects which regardless of your effects setup will work with like every pedal ever designed at any settigns thata ren't completely stupid in basically any room on the planet. Try it and see..... on the other side of it even the clean channel of the supersonic has a lot more to set and worry about before you can start playing. Its the sort of amp that will need some recall marks drawn on gaff tape over every knob so you can get your baseline tone at a gig in a hurry. Unlike voxes fenders do not sound good at EVERY setting.... a vox never does fender well but it always soudns awesome even at seemingly random and stupid settings because there are very few controls and their range is limited and itneractive ina musical way whereas the fender is a whole different thing where the the controls have more range than they need because the preamp was designed to make lots of different size amps work with any electric isntument, not just guitar. So the simpelr the fender you can get the faster you can set up and the less need you'll have for recall sheets or stickers. And that reminds me of the last point inf avor of the supersonic, in abssman mode channel oen can be used for bass and if you get the 40 watt 6L6 version ina head you could wire it up to a big cab and use it for bass live in a pretty big venue and get a good aproximation of the 60s bassman sound. The deluxe reverb will never do that.

last point? the supersonic looks cool but its not as iconic as a vintage cosmetic blackface. I like what they did modernizing the brownface and blackface design for the sonics, I do, but there's soemthing great about the old fender models just like the look of a towering marshall stack, an ac30, a pair of Levi's, converse chuck taylors or a Harley Davidson. Some thigns can't be improved on, not because theya re perfect, but ebcause they have represented a whole style and aesthetic for so long. I like to have some classic look on me and behind me ons tage, wearing levis or a beatles suit while standing inf ront of an old amp gives me confidence that I'm part of a line of good guitar playing and sounds going back to the birth of amplified sound. Consider that the look oficonic amps is so iconic because the designs and sounds are iconic. Maybe they can be improved on but they are part of the world's music vocabulary like the violin, snare drum, accordion, whatever.... I find that ts great to have access to some soudns that everyone knows as 'electric guitar' in the way a stradivarius is what classical people imagine when you say 'violin tone'. Its great to innovate too, but man, its good to have the legit, real deal classic and the DRRI is clsoer than the supersonic.

If you can afford it get an original silverface deluxe reverb. Its about 99% of the best blackface examples, almost the same amp in every way that contributes to tone.

also, the reissue silverface is actually nothing like a realy silverface, tis designed with elss headroom than a blackface or DRRI, whereas a real sivlerface has a little MORE headroom, although both the real silverface and reissue silverface are a little less sparkly than an original blackface all things like tubes and speakers being equal. If you don't mind the tendency to beak up early the silverface reissue actually soudns ebtter than the blackface resissue to me, it just isn't as good an effects paltform at gigs. Used on its own its a better amp for the buck though. Bets value for dollar to me though is still the original silverfces. They are pricey but bulletproof and great sounding with the kinda transformers that only come in boutique amps nowadays.

You may also wanna check into Allen amps that makes a pile of boutique variations on the brownface and blackface princeton, deluxe and princeton/deluxe reverb amps (whicha re all super similar designs apart from power tube bias, rectifier tube, phase inverter design and channel count. VERY similar. I actually like the princeont better than the deluxe for tone in blackface though I really like the brownface deluxe without reverb, its a beast, halfway ebtween a tremolux and a deluxe reverb, a real rock machine with a touch of clean.

I'm not quite sure what MY preference is FOR YOU, but for me I would go DR based on proven reliability, quick dialing in of tones and just being so sued to that amp because its been amplifying guitars longer than I've been playing them! Its a sound we all know and a control set we can all handle without thinking, but it does the 60s fender thing and NOTHING else and it won't bark unless its at 9 or 10.

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

i prefer, in this order:

  1. super sonic
  2. bassbreaker
  3. deluxe reverb

I have a feeling the OP will dislike the bassbreakers, they are very tweed/british and that's not really his bag. But yeah, the bassbreakers perform impressively, though i wonder at their reliability. Its pretty budget construction going on. Tube amps do best when theya re super sturdy and not built like a laptop with a vacuum tubes jammed on the PCB.

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

The DR is a pedal platform. get some great responses out of them. PGS video demoes are almost exclusively on DR, based on how they respond to boxes. I am a stomp guy.. this is my choice.

GEAR:
  • Fender MIJ Jazzmaster JM62
  • Epiphone Dot
  • Electro-Harmonix Sovtek "Green Russian" Big Muff Pi V7C

i haven't tried one because i always use a hot rod, drri or ss to demo guitars on, i feel id like the bass breaker but not be in love with it like the 3 i mentioned but i didn't know about the issues that come up with the super sonic so that'll definitely play into it, the issues with the hot rod deluxe are why I've ruled that one out. ill probably go drri since i love pedals and look at the ss as my next one down the road although i do want a marshall head or ac30 after this amp as well

thats why il looking at the black face 65 my friend has 2 blackface and a silver face and this summer ill be getting a fuzz and looking for some chorus's a bigger reverb and other effects like maybe a pitch shifter and tremolo

i haven't tried one because i always use a hot rod, drri or ss to demo guitars on, i feel id like the bass breaker but not be in love with it like the 3 i mentioned

actually, the hot rods share way more DNA with the bassbreaker series, not blackface at all.... both series are based on the tweed bassman (and the bassbreaker joke is that narshal's bluesbreaker was a slightly modified tweed bassman, bassbreaker, get it?).... but the small ones are more like marshall's 18 watt though and that's a purely british amp knocked off the Watkins Dominator MK1

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

i was thinking about trying the smaller head/cab combo I've been seeing them pop up more and more and the guys on andertons praise it, I'm just not sold when for the money of the big ones i can get a hot rod deville or a 70's bassman head and I've heard that about the bluesbreaker lol

i was thinking if i could find the small bassbreaker cheap enough tho i could replace my mustang( i use it as my bedroom amp) and give the the mustang to a friend who needs a better practice amp, the mustangs a fun little solid state with all the channels and onboard effects to dick around with

I can promise you any of the bassbreaker models has to sound vastly better than a hot rod of any kind, those hotrod and 'blues' amps are the most mediocre amp fender has ever produced.... at least the outright bad fenders have character, hot rods are like if you let peavey engineers design for fender... nothing wrong with them but nothing right either.

I've never had an amp with all those effects and things.... it never seemed like a desireable thing to me, even in a practice amp. Whenever I go for a practice amp I get a little amp like a champ or ac4. I think the littlest bassbreaker is 5 watts, single ended like that, not sure. YThe one that's closer to a marshall 18 watt or ac15 is 15 watts....

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

i liked the deluxe but you had to really push it, but I'm also the guy after the early 2000's college indie rock tone and they are a dime a dozen ill definitely look into the bassbreaker but ill probably wait till end of the year when theyve been on the market a while for their flaws to show their heads

the hotrods aren't reliable.... pretty much the vintage designs are the reliable ones, dude

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

the hotrods aren't reliable

that's why they're a dime a dozen and were so popular 500 bucks had a 40 watt amp and could be found everywhere

you know, when Iw as your age I could still get JCM800s for 500 bucks... owned 2 at that price. My 88 plexi RI wasn't much more, got it in a pawn shop when pawn stores had more gear than ebay. Those were the days.And at the time I got my 63 ac30 people were like 'you went on ebay and spent HOW MUCH on an old, beat down tube amp?!" It was a thousand dollas back then, a good deal for one, but only 500 below market for a minty one.... now? try getting one under 4k

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

i dont mention it much but the band that got me into music is Rise Against, and I've made it my goal to get a JCM900, outside of indie i play a lot of melodic hardcore and punk

you can still get a 900 for a pittance... the SLX is the best sounding model, I ahd one, it was fun, but it didn't hold a candle to my 2204, even for shredding. The 900s with reverb don't sound as good. Kinda pinched comparatively.

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

id be running it dirty as f*ck with some compression but id probably shop around with different marshal heads before settling I haven't looked into marshall much other than the bluesbreaker, just not what I'm in the market for at the moment

I went through a marshall kick starting in 99 and have had almost every marshall of note, 2 or 3 of some models. Clones and boutiques too. Hands down the best marshall models are the superlead, the 50 watt JCM800 or JMP 2204 master volume heads, the 18 watt in any configuration, a legit old bluesbreaker head, and the rare Studio 15 combo. I used to feel the 50 watt plexi and JMP leads were sweeter than the superlead, but I changed my tune over the eyars. the 50 watt master heads, however, are pretty awesome and sound meaner lower on the MV dial than than the 100 watt master heads. If you ever see one check out the pre-2204 2x12 combo marshall tried their first master volume design out on, its basically like a 4 input JMP with a master, very weird. Pat Benatars husband/guitarist used them his whole career and its the only mdoel I haven't owned briefly. I tried one in Maryland but decided it was too heavy to tke home (100 watt combo with HUGE 70s drake transformers)... pretty affordable amp and a total monster that sounds unlike any other marshall before or after. Apparently jim didn't like the amp, discontinued it and redisgned the MV amps as the 2203 and 2204 we all know and love, but man, I thought the weird master volume combo had real style. Sometimes I regret not buying it because I haven't seen one since other than the ones Neil had in premier guitar.

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

ill definitely look for an 800 with the master sounds like a beast of an amp. another one I've looked into jtm45 plexi's being they show up everywhere. but also have you had any experience with the Evertune bridges, the guys from rise against use them and even tho they are technically too big for sg's but they said it solves all the tuning issues with them

okay, all 800s have master, but the channel switchers aren't as full sounding as the single channel... now the JMP with the master came in 2 flavors, the combo and the later heads that look like non-master heads but are basically proto-800s. Actually, my favorite 800 I ever owned was so old it was built on a modified non-master board. The great thing about the early master marshalls is that while they are PCB amps they have sturdy-ass PCBs, double sided mil-spec shit that never warps or cracks and the traces are so big its hard to burn them out when you're doing a repair.

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp