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conventional speaker can't produce 5hz so you're eating amplifier headroom for nothing, that will require a subwoofer with its own amp and no one will know its happening anyway

that's the only behringer parametric I've ever seen, kenneth

the slo 100 is the finest of high gain amps in my book though its in the marshall camp; bright, edgey and low on actual bass, but it cuts a mix and sounds like gold, best preamp distortion and a well defined chunk from the exceptional transformers. Mike got there 1st and did it best. The clean tone is the best of any channel switcher I've personally played and the 'overdrive' setting is pretty much an 800 preamp. I am not a PCB fan in tube gear but this is the best constructed current production PCB based amp, the baord is truly milspec and anything that could pull free and wreck a gig is wired off board via flying leads like an 80s marshall, as god intened. I would take this over the bassman/plexi type model T any day. Or get an actual pelxi or Laney supergroup/klipp. I played superleads for years, they are mean as hell when used in anger... neither of these amps will produce a 'brown note' that's more of a moog synthesizer through a 1000+watt PA with subs thing anyway

avoid the rectifier and peavey unless you like repair bills or want to learn to replace power tube sockets or fets in switching circuit all the time.... I can't speak for the thunderverb directly but the construction of most modern oranges does not inspire confidence.

the meatsmoke is in the sunn camp.... I've never been impressed with bogner but I've heard them sound good.... I've never had anyone ask me to repair one.

Did we do this already or was that someone else?

this has been discussed already but your idea to monetize the fix is pretty interesting.... personally I feel this copycat site should be paying me a royalty for every one of my in depth, hands on reviews they plagiarize. EB can thank me in gear IQ, but these bozos? I feel a little violated.... my encyclopedic knowledge of dynamics processors for example has been hard won through years of working on music I would never ordinarily listen to. I feel grumpy and underpaid all over again knowing another site could be recycling my insights.

I think its a pb32p, hard to tell though

Your son will be striving for that retro sound, as heard on all the crusty old Billie Eilish streams of his youth. :D

gotta find those old 64 bit OS soft synths

make things better for the next generation.

who will say Daft Whosis? This isn't a Punk record, Dad!

I went through my had list and there's the 2100 composer with the dot on the switch, musta sold it or given it away. I swear it said optical somewhere on it or in a manual I dunno. WAIT! I sold it ages ago, I think it was part of the trade deal at Atomic Music that got me my SG, I traded the a whole rack of junk I used to take to live sound gigs at underequipped venues in a pinch. I sold it before my son was born and before equipboard was founded LOL. Couldn't remember.

we're the second hit on google for 'daft punk behringer composer' after the guy who said it was on their drum bus.... which on a CR1604 there isn't any subgrouping, there's a second bus I think but its for aux return I think, I could be wrong. Now I want to read the manual to see if that guy on gearlutz is fulla $h!t

you could also try a 2020 and 2050 for blumlein for a similar response from mid and side, very affordable option and those 20 series mics are nice, use my USB one all the time when i feel too lazy to go upstairs and run an XLR

the patchbay appears to be an 80s tascam too if anyone wants to investigate that. I'm bushed. Good job guys.

that dynamite and the 3630 are likely the duckers, the dynamite is a beast at sidechaining

I just submitted it, please approve it, its my best catch ever.... I may never top this one. Plus it'll drive up the values of my dynamites if I want to sell one LOL

this is Kenneth's baby! I never woulda worked on this if he hadn't been so determined.

now in this picture we were referencing https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwJ8f7jVoAIZaI5.jpg does anyone else see the valley people dynamite at the bottom? Has that been spotted? If not that's mine.

EDIT: Tom, check my eyes on this, that's my black and silver valley dynamite 440 at the bottom, right?

oh yeah, they added that graphic and text to the auto button to be like all the other controls, huh, there ay go

the blown up ones look triangular, the one I was originally looking at even when magnified with my reading glasses could be a dot or could be nothing at all... but honestly we're talking about an enhanced version of a photo of an old style 3 color offset print magazine that was reproducing a photo taken with a pre-digital SLR oor maybe even soemthing less professional and then developed in a dark room with chemicals....

that dot or triangle could just be a development issue, or a printing error,...

I feel like Deckard https://youtu.be/hHwjceFcF2Q

let me get my reading glasses from upstairs.... I can't see little shit like this without them anymore

It never said anything about a master bus. And how do we know it's not the Alesis 3630 being referred to as the "Dynamic Gain Reduction"?

"this is a device called an 'enhancer' used to specify and energize the contour of the sound spectrum in the extreme low and the extreme high. in principle, this device is connected in stereo output"

Is that mastering specific? Couldn't that still be used in a mixing setting?

its mixing whether its on the master or across 2 mono channels in stereo somewhere else, mastering is record specific, its the process of creating a physical master copy that's optimized for the format that will be reproduced so that you cna send it to a manufacturer to make CDs, vinyl,, physical product of any kind, even 8 track, that's all it is...

a huge portion of the hardware wielding population has a compressor on their master stereo output if only to catch any big peaks that could blow out spakers or clip the tape/ADC etc, on that mackie CR I suspect the output actually said stereo output right on it under the output jacks, its been awhile and it might say something else but I feel like they're just spitting out the terminology on their actual rack mixer here, the convention of calling it a master is from larger, pro grade desks and is not universal, its just how I talk. Stereo output to me means the whole mix, and you might use that if the CR series had no master inserts and it may not have! I forget. certainly there were channel inserts and you wouldn't call them stereo outputs even on a stereo channel (mackie loves those stereo channels with dumbed down controls) you would say stereo inserts, even if you're a crazy frenchman

PS: I see a dot, not glare. Anyone else?

It never said anything about a master bus. And how do we know it's not the Alesis 3630 being referred to as the "Dynamic Gain Reduction"?

"this is a device called an 'enhancer' used to specify and energize the contour of the sound spectrum in the extreme low and the extreme high. in principle, this device is connected in stereo output"

that's the master or '2bus' in non-engineer parlance.

Both the 2000 and the 2100 have enhancers. The 2100 has a refined one.

I do not remember mine having that, I need to find it, it might be in my storage unit, its not in my house that I can suss out... its possible I sold it or gave it away and forgot. I also could swear mine said it was an optical comrpessor, there was this time when vactrols got small and cheap so you would find things like half rack joe meeks and the composer that have the opto detector in a modern design then.... that's also the era of the VLA.... instead of having that photo cell that plugs into a socket like a tube like all the urei designs the thing could be pcb mounted, I think the LA22 is like that and the LA4 might be too. It was a late 80s thing into the 90s, I guess its normal now too, but a lot of companies are straight copying the older method which is enat because switching vactrols changes your time cosntants. Acme optocom uses this idea, its got 2 photo cells, a vintage one and a modded one and that's the fast slow switch. I kinda want one of those.

but that's not really the conversation here, I'm no longer sure its a 2000 because they mention putting it on the master bus and if its barely limiting and being used mroe for the enhancer then the ducking problems would not be a big deal. But a bad link mode on your master would really suck if you had panning stuff going on etc.... Iw ould think they woulda had the 2100 for stereo linked master bus compression. Or maybe they went unlinked, I don't usually do that on my master personally, it can make the stereo image wonky, better to do that on stere osignals or sub groups.

I Google-translated the full paragraph for the "Behringer Composer" from Exhibit A, and it sounds like they may be describing a different type of exciter/enhancer.

"this is a device called an 'enhancer' used to specify and energize the contour of the sound spectrum in the extreme low and the extreme high. in principle, this device is connected in stereo output"

that argues the new Pro which didn't exist yet... the new one has an enhancer circuit I think, though who knows if it does anything in reality. Uli loves tacking pointless features onto things. Perhaps the 2100 had the enhancer, I have stuff to do, someone read both manuals... or maybe the translation is fine but the interviewer messed up. Journalists can be quite ignorant you know.

its amazing how these guys just stumbled through this assuming this translation is accurate because they're not very well informed!

Exhibit A now: "En principe, cet appareil est connecté en sortie stéréo." "En principe" translates to "in principle" or "in theory". If this is a correct understanding of the magazine's use of the phrase, is this an acknowledgement of false stereo, thus proving the MDX2000?

I think you're onto something.... you can exploit a misdesigned link, this seems like an extreme case but often its just that the summed sidechain input to the master isn't balanced well between both sides at all frequencies creating stereo artifacts. You can use this, the pro VLA has a wonky link mode and I exploit it for certain thing, especially as the time constants are so laggy on the mk1 version I favor

I don't want to get into the theory of linking detector circuits for 'stereo' operation... often when i use units in stereo they are unlinked for various reasons, this is a shady business and could be a whole article...

that sounds spot on, poor headroom... and I felt the make up amp was noisy, so its inability to handle bass transients and kept it off drums and bass guitar and also kept me from smashing stuff unless I had a lot of makeup gain available on my return to compensate for the loss when not using the output amp to achieve unity because of hiss.... mine was used for stereo pads and other keyboards that had a lot of crazy energy that would pop out of a mix and needed some gentle linked taming, stereo acoustic guitar recordings and backup and gang type vocals in stereo. I seldom used it as 2 mono compressors and rarely put it on a parallel bus although it happened occassionally... I was known to sue it to suck the bass and naturalness out of drum loops too, exploiting the poor headroom for instant lofi dynamics although the 3630 could also do a job like that in an uglier way. But that was usually parallel kick and snare back then.

I could be wrong about the ducking but I read it in an article at one point where they talked about ducking samples with their drums using these cheap compressors to make the music between the drums in the sample swell up between their drum hits in that distinctive way... it seemed very clever to young me. If you troll sound on sound or future music from the late 90s and early 00s it will be somewhere in there because those were my rags at that time before tape op and my graduation to full bore pro engineering. If they were ducking with the 2100 sounds like they were magicians. I've enver ducked with mine, I would use something intended for that purpose even back then like the equally cheap (at the time) and infinitely better symetrix 522 of which I own I think 3 at this point although one has channel A stuck in expander mode LOL

I think my composer saw steady service until about 2005 and I'm not even sure where it is right now

perhaps my personal insights from back then will point you in a useful direction

let it be known I'm leaning towards the MDX2000, I'll ebt music stores in germany and france were littered with used ones at the time, probably still are, they never break

or did I read this wrong and you need a middle mic.... in that case my favorites are situational but a good all arounder would be an AT4040 or 4047 at about 400 or so new last I checked or a 414 or the warm clone or the 314 or whatever it is fixed pattern one... then there's the neumann option on a budget, warm WA87 or the cute little TLM106 is it? i think that's the one? I hate it for vocals but its good at this.You couldn't escape it for a while, in every shitty studio you would record at and it says neumann so singers want it... I also like lollipop mics so a blue baby bottle or bluebird.... the mouse and dragonfly I also liked when i had them but not as much as the baby bottle

if going stupid cheap? oktava mk319, rode nt1a, thatmultipattern behringer, the C3 I think? or the good old AT2020.... there's not much else in the cheap seats that I like for one reason or another, often that reason is awful self noise, like the otherwise nice sounding MXL line...

the best bang for buck SDCs are the okatava mc012 and the rode nt5.... hands down excellent microphones and the okatva has interchangeable capsules

if you can spend a little I favor the akg c451, they're quite pricey

in figure 8 for blumlein I tend to sue ribbons but one side will be a little less toppy so its not always 'true' stereo imaging, but its interesting... a good al rounder at a good price would be the recent royer r21 I think it is? its their affordable one, I quite like that on guitar and think it would do m/s well.... I have fatheads and they're a little more balanced front and back, very affordable and good mics... I quite like a lot of the multipattern geffels and lomos.... I used to really like to do m/s with a couple CAD equitek back electrets, I think I sued an E100 for the cardioid and the multipattern 300 for the sides. I also used to use a pair of 414s or when i had a blue baby bottle I would pair that with a 414 as it has exception bass response for the middle and the sides can then be high passed for a great stereo image with no side muck.

it depends on your price range really, lots of good stuff out there....e ven the multi pattern behringer I have is a solid room mic in omni so would be a decent enough figure 8 for blumlein

All I'm doing is keyword searching in Google. Quotation marks for the words you want specified, minus for the ones you want omitted.

is that how it actually works? I gave up all that syntax searching ages ago as google always seemed to spit back crap anyway

All I'm doing is keyword searching in Google. Quotation marks for the words you want specified, minus for the ones you want omitted.

is that how it actually works? I gave up all that syntax searching ages ago as google always seemed to spit back crap anyway

Jim, your deep knowledge on dynamics processing, and your usual generosity in helping me with this crazy quest is essential and much appreciated as well.

thanks but I'm no match for the Holtz Effect, this guy's an internet deep dive monster.... he gets deep and slays the kraken of something or other, my metaphor is falling apart.

I can't believe how hard it was to make a mix of this last track, it just doesn't fit the record, I hoenstly thought it was an outtake last night only to be told it was going in with the others and to quick finish it.... I also notice on the last track that one of my lexicons was patched in reverse stereo for a the first bunch of cuts LOL.... its barely in and mostly is mono but all the drums with a taste of it are mirrored in the small room patch LOL Think anyone will notice?! Always check your patchbay wiring thrice, twice don't cut it my friends.

They were in bands before Daft Punk, so either of them could have brought some gear into the picture well before forming. I mean all those old Roland boxes were already 10 years discontinued when they started. They knew how to buy used gear, for sure :)

yeah man, I groaned when I bought a new drawmer stereo mastering EQ, full price? NO! but I thought I needed it and no one sells them so.... there's this new shiny gear syndrome going on amongst many and an idea that vintage pricing has always been, but its not so.... and some pieces like a behringer never trade for their new price, which was not much to begin with! you know it sucks so why pay 100 bucks (or however many francs) when you can go half price on last years model? at the time everything they had was still considered by many to be outdated junk or cheap newish junk for amateurs.... it was cheap junk that they mastered! the composer still is that, noisy piece of crap, but when you need 2 more channels of basic compression its an option that won't keep you from paying the rent. I can see that even the daft punk connection ahs failed to glamorize this piece of shit although they along with tape op disseminated the idea that the 3630 is solid when you clip the gate circuit out and they trade for 3 figures now which is hysterical

phased out means it was really cheap used, they were all about cheap.... beck then 106es for isntance went for PEAnuts, the mackie CR they ahd is a cheap piece of crap.... they went bargain basement

damn this is an impressive display of web digging to my 40+ year old eyes.... I gotta get back to it, this last track must be mixed and I have to draw the 1st issue of Stick Insect Dick or at least do the layout

ah ha, the search, but they don't have an entry for the mdx2000

Behringer MDX2100 Legacy Product Page: https://www.behringer.com/product.html?modelCode=P0001

where the hell is that page, damn, I was looking 2 days ago and kept winding back around to current products

okay great but where's my history of the composer line? every model and everything you can find on them, there may be more than 3 variants! I know you can do it even though behringer doesn't have a legacy product page I can find on their site. You're a lord of googling gear. GO!

When i'm done this monotonous dirge of a jam by a hardcore punk band that shouldn't play at less than 130bpm I'll be back and looking for it

What intrigues me most is the Gearslutz claim. How does he know it was used on the drum bus?

he doesn't, people just mouth off like crazy there, that's why I quit! the disinformation based on people's guesswork or magic ears is worse than the constant flame wars

I've decided you can't confirm this short of trying to reach out to one of these guys, maybe they'll be more forthcoming now that they're broken up officially but they may not even remember. If they upgraded at any time the exact model of composer may be hazy at this late date. The difference between the 2 models we've settled on is probably really academic. Maybe its a different gain control circuit but more likely its really minor. I'm finding the composer line to be a bafflling rabbit hole, I have one around somewhere that said it was a stereo optical compressor someone gave me about 20 years ago, maybe more but there's also VCA models?

Tom, I'm tasking you to find the complete history of the Behringer Composer line for us and post it here, I wanna know every variant now and you're good at this. Its Saturday. I have a record to finish and a comic strip to draw for a new 'zine today so its on you. If anyone can give us a detailed, year by year outline with info on gain control circuits, detector type, I/O, print on the case, metering.... my LED meters were square, I know it for sure, I thought the square flush meters looked cool but were harder to see in a dark room after a few bees than the traditional ones like on a dbx or the 3630. Other than that I am at a loss, please research and report back.

and I would love to be proved wrong and for you to find legit evidence of the model after Is aid it was impossible and likely irrelevant

later gators

I know, I have one and I can't remember which one it is because I don't know where I put it! even the autocoms look similar at a glance

this is bull... 4 numbers: 1176