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The Big Muff: Original, Mini, or Nano

amd if you wan a cheap onw, buy the dunlop fuzz face. theyre decent.

Crikey, this thread is on fire!

Would this be a bad time to ask anyone what the EQD Cloven Hoof fuzz is like? I'm asking because my only distortion pedals are the EHX Little Big Muff and the EHX Double Muff (I actually prefer the Double Muff, because it seems to make everything a bit less fizzy; with the LBM I sometimes struggle to get 'definition' out of it, and it seems to turn everthing I play into the 'same' sort of featureless angry buzz). I like the demos I've heard of the EQD CH, but it does seem a bit expensive for a fuzz pedal.

Part of the problem is that I'm not a very good distortion/riffy guitar player; I'm more into ethereal tones with loads of reverb and delay and modulation. I suppose what I'm looking for is a nice pedal that I can put before these effects which gives me a bit of dirt, but doesn't overpower the overall texture. With the EHX stuff going into reverb with long tails, everything I play just comes out sounding like early Jesus and Mary Chain, which is fun...but a bit more subtlety would be nice too.

I'm looking for an overdrive pedal...aren't I? Can anyone recommend one? Would a humble BOSS OD-3 do the job? Think early 90s bands like Curve, Slowdive, MBV...

I know Kevin Shields of MBV has literally hundreds of different distortion pedals today. Does anyone know what he was using around the time of 'Isn't Anything' or 'Loveless'?

Hendrix very rarely/possibly never used the big muff live and at that it was the original russian(which i reccomended) not a standard pi

okay, the russian is an 80s thing starting when mike matthews' EHX factory in NYC burned down and he invested in sovtek.... they built the russian pedals starting with the civil war muff circa 85ish? they would tweak the components based ona vailability and generally changed the box going green and then black... made in sratov russia

what hendrix may have used was the 1st gen 'triangle muff' (probably a prototype at jams with matthews who sued to play B3 organ in NYC at the clubs Hendrix liked to get high and play in at) with knobs laid out like a black russian, pyramid fashion, in a silver box of similar dimesions but different parts types and values. This pedal was first marketed as the guild foxy lady. The original foxy lady is a mosrite fuzzrite if I recall (2 knob foxies) but then they contracted with a young mike matthews to make a distortion unit cheaper and he put the the logo on the 1st gen big muff around the time he was marketing the LPB1 and Muff Fuzz effects under his own brand. In time he released the circuit as an EHX pedal as the Big Muff and there is some overlap with the foxy lady. yes, the triangle is a hair brighter as are the ram's heads (I've owned some rams), the triangle has more ehadroom and attack than a modern one while the ram's head has all the squish and skronk but different midrange character though still quite scooped. its tiny variances in component values and materials thata re pretty audible when dialing in with a close mic ina recording studio. In practical stage situation all big muffs but the80s USA opamp version sound indistinguishable from 6 feet off on stage. Side not, the 80s opamp version was used by corgan on siamese dream. H as inspired tog et big muffs by Catherine (local chicago band whoahd a member dating darcy, she has sicne married him) and thsoe guys had early 70s versions (not sure of type) but Billy nly found the opamp version in the pawn store and didn't know the difference... so the siamese dream sound sues integrated circuits to boost gain like the LPB1 and Muff Fuzz and NOT discrete transistors like previous and alter big muffs ;-) Sounds different. Boxier and grindier in a very even way and it is also friendlier with tube amp inputs due to the very fixed output impedance.

he primarily used the dunlop fuzzface,

dunlop didn't exist then, dunlop bught the fuzz face brand from Crest audio who had aquired Dallas/Arbiter in the 80s. Dallas Arbiter copied the circuit from the Sola Sound Tonebender mark 1.5, the only 2 (rather than 3) transistor tonebender. I have the vox branded version (I've owned 2 of them over the years) which is a circuit licensed by vox and then assembled with some parts changes by JEN, the wah wah people in Italy who made the original wahs. I own a very old one with Mullard glass and its 100% stock. Its a cutting fuxxface with nto enough bass or output for stage but its amazing for revolver and sgt pepper tones in a studio. I have also owned a few legit fuzzfaces and every ones was different based on teh transistor material, type, HFE ratings and the component tolerances throughout the simple circuit which si ery much a mutated AM transistor radio circuit by the way, cribbed from teh 60s Mullard design manual. The other tonebenders were more based around the original fuzztone designed by a recording engineer and his best friend to mimic a broken recording channel in his console. that was sold to Gibson and was the Maestro FZ1 fuzztone (I have owned 2) and it has NO sustain but an amazing attack and fuzziness. No output either. its really cool though and I would still have one if i ahdn't traded both for valuable marshall amps years ago. Vic Flick, the guy who plays the James Bond riff? He ahd one and asked Gary hurst to design hima verion with mroe output and sustaina dnthe tonebender mark 1 was born sparking the UK fuzz boom. Anyway, Hendrix liked the arker and less gainy fuzzface. he used the original germanium tansistor verion and later switched to the blue silicon one that's brighter and gainier. Many Axis tones are clearly a blue silicon fuzzface. Great pedal. The Arbiter values work well with silicon transistors but are finnicky with germanium in a way the sola/hurst and vox/hurst values are not. I think there are places where I ehar a muff fuzz, the 2nd EHX effect? on Axis too. I think thatw as released in 67. Other early fuzzes included the fuzz designed for the ventures, the mosrite fuzrite, a very unique design that is most famous for the guitar sound from Inagadadavidia by Iron Butterfly. i've ahd 2 of those. they are fun but silly. You can hear its first use on the venture 2000 pound bee (or it one thosand pounds? I forget). Yes the early fuzzes aremutted radio designs but none were designed by radio companies that I kow of and none were marketed by them. Theyw ere generally designed by hobbyists at the behest of working musicians seeking a variation on teh satisfaction sound and then amrketed by alrger companies like guitar companies (gibson. mosrite)or guitar retailers (sola, dallas/arbiter/sound-city)... alter the japanese got involved with it creating crazy effects like the shin-ei fuzz and the superfuzz under license to candaian amp manufacturer and amrshall distributor Univox.

Shall i go on?

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

Part of the problem is that I'm not a very good distortion/riffy guitar player; I'm more into ethereal tones with loads of reverb and delay and modulation. I suppose what I'm looking for is a nice pedal that I can put before these effects which gives me a bit of dirt, but doesn't overpower the overall texture. With the EHX stuff going into reverb with long tails, everything I play just comes out sounding like early Jesus and Mary Chain, which is fun...but a bit more subtlety would be nice too.

you may want a distortion with fuzzy qulities that's got more mids potentially, more dynamics and range on the gain knob, and thus isn't a sledgehammer at moderate settings, try a proco rat or a knockoff (mooer makes a very good cheapie I'm told)... in 'true' ODs with soft clipping check look at the mxr custom abdass OD (I know, that name, but tis a eprfeced Boss SD1) or the way huge green rhino pedals thata re highly tweaked TS9s if you play fenders through fenders.... the Klon knockoffs a re great being a highly tweaked, low gain rat type circuit with separate clipping on the treble knob that you dial in, very unique circuit. I loved a lot of what the EHX soul food did but it just was anemic on abss through my amps using the channels I like. But I have a very tweaky setup. my rat is part of a discontinued Nova Drive by TC. I got it for the MIDI implmentation but love what i can do with a modded TS9 and modded rat in one box with preset recall and the ability to sue the separately, in series either direction or even in aprallel with clean blend. Arguably the ebst old school, 70s/80s/ dirt sound I have ever put hands to. Hard to come by though. The TC Nova Drive actually does wonder with my analog synths too.

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

I know Kevin Shields of MBV has literally hundreds of different distortion pedals today. Does anyone know what he was using around the time of 'Isn't Anything' or 'Loveless'?

everything available int he early 90, probably much of it on at once just like Adam from Swervedriver.... just get tons ofs tuff and a huge wall of high wattage and potentially high ehadroom british amps like some 800s and Hiwatts couled with a few AC30s so you cna liquefy small mammals with your E string... and get a yamaha spx90, an alesis mdiverb and some otehr rack stuff for them too, then make insane patches and turn everything on.

JaMC, MBV? like Scream too? you're a dyed in the wool 4AD man! you're okay, dude. But find YOUR sound too.

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

I've thought about the MXR distortions actually, because I've read that Terry Bickers of House of Love used to use one on those LSD-soaked early Creation releases, and I've always liked his overdriven guitar sound (although I suspect a lot of the magic came from an MXR Dynacomp as well to add crispness). Anyway, thanks!

I'm on a bit of a limited budget, and I tend to mix digital modelling pedals with analogue ones. I'm amazed at digital for what they can do now with tape echo emulations and reverbs. I've never heard a convincing digital distortion pedal though (apart from that deliberate bitcrushing effect, of course; maybe they exist, but I've yet to hear one!), which is why I'm on the lookout for a versatile solid-state one.

a stock block logo dynacomp is a underrated sustain and treble boost pedal, used one for tons of leads into a marshall 18 wattclone and vntage 20 watt TnB on one rock record.... tone for days, check the 1st half of the guitar solo before I switch amps and chains to a tonebender and superlead:

I sue a tone of mdoellers all of teh sudden, a TC flashback X4 and a line6 m5 for modulation actually.... not ebcause I have to but because I like them in those roles. I also recently aquired a used kord SDD pedal that's ncie as fuck but isn't in the rig yet.

the jke ehre is I alwaysave cool gadgets but mostly play bone dry into an amps et just right and have a it and always hgave.... a little slap is nice sometimes though

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

Ah, I wondered why everyone raved about the Dynacomp; not 'just another compressor', then...

Yes, I try to get a nice even clean tone from the amp before I slap the FX on. It does seem to help.

Find my sound? I need to learn how to play the f**ing thing first! I still miss the fingering for Bb and F sometimes after 25 years of trying to play...I got distracted by synths...jumping between hollowbodies, Jazzmasters, telecasters, acoustics and basses means I've never really mastered any of them too!

in this day & age & with a now deeply informed look at fuzz- Why the hell would anyone buy a Nano Big Muff? Boggles the mind. Fuzz War is like 10 pedals in one. So many better options. I'd also add RML Electron Fuzz to the options list...oh yeah, and the Warmjet V (modeled after Eno's famous WEM fuzz on Here Come The Warm Jets) ask for a bench model. As far as legacy goes ultimately nobody listening gives a shit what pedegree a pedal might have. Don't buy for history, buy for tone, texture, tamber, & color.

Like lots of other people I used to repaint, tape, or put things in a different enclosure on my petals when I played live to avoid conversations with people who venerated this pedal or that...aaaand to keep my secrets as well. Also, i played guitar in a fuzzed-out reverb happy band that definitely owed something to JAMC & subsequently was booked with lots of similar acts and I never saw anyone ever use a Big Muff. Lots of Shin-Ei Companion or similar stuff tho.

That said I've still got an old Big Muff. Sell it to ya cheep.

This is like a Truthers meeting for Big Muffs.

love and or lessons... if you live in philly I will give you lessons at a reasonable price....

here's more dynacomp on all the elads at 75% compression and full output I think.... old strat and an 18 or 20 watt marshall thru an old 60s tall 4x12

https://soundcloud.com/james-marchione-1/unmanageable?in=james-marchione-1/sets/under-your-bed

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

RIGHT ON SOUL BROTHA!

by the way, I saw you psoted a ton of shit to the magnetic fields guy, Jeff who masters all his stuff is my mastering guy and good buddy

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

Philadelphia is an awfully long way away from Leeds, England UK...

Yes, Leeds, UK...hence the goth! It was everywhere when I was growing up here. You couldn't move for dry ice, spiders, crimped hair and black lipstick in the late 80s. And flangers of course. Always flangers. Those were the days.

I married a goth girl... she's dead. No joke, she is so goth now sitting in a an urn at my mother in law's house. But maybe i should do video lessons because so many poeople on ehre can't grasp even how to hol the guitr let alone get nuance from it. Even when they are fast they are all jackhammer and no emotion.

Th guitar is soe asy to play really well, honest. You just need to redjust your thinking and muscles a bit. It won't hurt your keys playing one bit, i can tell you becaue I am synth guy and mediocre pianist too.

rule 1 is play into the groove.

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

Aw, nice! I really do like that snarky fucker. His interviews & genneral wise ass lyrics are right up my alley. Lord the stacks of Roland Modular stuffs that guy has! Be fun to meet the guy who gets FIFTY songs dropped on him at once by Merrit.

Those definately were the days. So glad nobody had cellphones w/ caneras tho. My attempts at pulling of Robert Smith hair just did not go well.

jeff is a a fucking machine who always sends christmas gifst too. He did theunder your bed record in a day, most fun ever by the way... we had so much fun and went out drinking later with his alcoholic receptionist who refers to her issues as 'getting too festive'. Maria Rice who does the fades is an angel too.

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

Sounds like my kind of people!

Out of all the Big Muffs, my favorite are the old green Russian made Sovtek ones that were availible in the early 90's. Tried one out with a Tele and a Jazzmaster, I've not found one I like better.

I kind of consider the Big Muff an in-between for fuzz and distortion. It's not as crisp as distortion but not as muddy as most Fuzz.

Still though, my favorite fuzz is the Boss FZ-2 HyperFuzz - run a Jazzmaster through it in one of the modes, it does a splitting replication of Ric Ocasek's distorted rhythm guitar tone from "Got A Lot on My Head" off the Candy-O record. It's a very, uh, shuddery-sharp, more-crisp-than-usual fuzz tone, very late 70's and Hi-Fi sounding, but very good for tight playing styles.

GEAR:
  • Fender '62 Jaguar Reissue Electric Guitar
  • Hondo Paul Dean II
  • Fender Jaguar

Still though, my favorite fuzz is the Boss FZ-2 HyperFuzz

thats actually mild octave fuzz heavily based on the univox superfuzz

GEAR:
  • Roland Juno-6
  • Gibson SG Standard
  • Vox AC30 Guitar Combo Amp

IMPORTANT QUESTION

if I have a reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally good solid state amp and I dig it, but I want tube+fuzz tone, and I wont be able to afford a tube amp for one year, what do I buy?