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also, that song is rather badass for its idiom, the vocals just take it up that extra notch into goodness.... but the guitar figure is full of hammers and pulls now on my second listen.... the whole part is very Jimmy Pagey in its approach, just a hair more staccato

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I just played the intro's guitar figure quickly and it sounds best with every other 16th note as a pull, but you must pull cleanly and with a lot of authority. I can flat pick it easily, but it sounds too stiff that way.

not sure about the tone, sounds marshally

EDIT: thanks for posting the sheet music, you saved me the trouble of listening carefully to the intro.... you can play it in a different position using a different pentatonic inversion than the box they used in the TAB under the sheet music (assuming I read it right, tab is hard for me), might sound slightly different but it will make the pulls easier for someone unused to this sort of playing

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there are passable rock stations in Philly but I had to cross pennsyltucky yesterday where there's country and top 40 only... even the oldies station around Harrisburg was playing B list shit on Sunday!

EDIT: remember that you are talking to a guy who really likes heavy duty, old guard pop songwriters like Cole Porter, Burt Bacharach and Johnny Mercer, someone who has played in big bands, orchestras and in the pit for some musicals, so I maybe have a different perspective than you do on music... its not a right or wrong thing, but I listen differently than you probably do... between learning t interpret literature, studying art history and criticism and all my traditional music music training and experience (not tomention all those logic classes in gifted school starting around age 7) I pick thigns apart differently than someone with a different educational background.... I listen to a song and I dissect it in my mind the first time through into production elements, arrangement elements and compositional elements and I just start analyzing like I am reading and interpreting a James Joyce novel for school, its just how I think... when I start to add everything up in a work of art and feel the creator was cheaping out either through laziness or a lack of talent then I get displeased

a by product of all this dissection is that I will be able to easily write you out a lead sheet for almost any pop tune you play for me in one or two listens and may not even need to refer to a guitar or piano if its basic enough harmonically

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Jeez, you really do sound like one of those old guys complaining about modern music. No offense, bro, but each to their own, eh? We all like different types of music, and they don't all have to bring something new to the table. It's supposed to be simple.

to me there is a difference between simple by design and simple by necessity and I can usually hear the distinction. I am not telling anyone not to like it or listen to it (some days I wish I could, but I hear its still a free country), I just really wanted to vent my spleen after hearing WAY too much currently popular music from all genres this weekend (I had to make a 9 hour road trip yesterday and no one remembered to bring an iPod or CDs so I was stuck with radio, conversation or silence and I only got conversation when my mother-in-law was driving, otherwise she was working on her laptop or dozing.... let me tell you that all that imagine dragons and taylor swift on the various radio stations that I tuned into has left me feeling like someone sanded off a layer of my soul with metaphysical steel wool).

I am sorry if you took umbrage. I was just really underwhelmed because I was expecting something other than what I got, which reminded me a lot of most of what I was subjected to while I tried not to nod out at the end of my drive yesterday. I really meant no harm other than to call it as I hear it, not as an old guy, but as an experienced and classically trained musician. I may have held my tongue if this weren't a thread for underrated music.

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According to Wikipedia, Grethe is the wife. Either way, they need to be seperated.

I know about needing a separation from your wife.

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Holy shit, those guys have an amazing band name that conjured up images of sardonic space rock awesomeness in my head..... and then I worked up the courage to press play and got a bunch of sound effects and a barely intelligible voice over 4 chords with hardly any music in it.... what a let down. When did people forget how to write and arrange songs? Maybe around the time 3m and BASF stopped making 2" tape and it all went to pro tools? That period when every company cranked out a passable 2 channel USB recording interface so any yahoo with a guitar and half an idea for a song could slap their stuff on the internet and many of the world's greatstudios (like Sigma here in Philly) shut down for good? I will admit that the dynamic when its just the vocals and a little guitar was a good call after all that drone beforehand. Kept me from shutting the tune off mid-way. But as I said, that music doesn't have any music in it. Boring Sidney, boring. Reminds me of the extended jams my band would do to warm up at rehearsals and during album pre-production that were never meant for other humans to hear. But I will say this, its so repetitive that it would be really easy to build up by locking small loops to grid in your DAW without anyone needing to perform well for more than 4 bars at a time.... quick and cheap to assemble. With the profitability of recorded music at an all time low cheap to produce helps squeeze extra money from album sales and making it repetitive has the added benefit of being loopable for video game licensing and easily recognizable in a 1 minute TV commercial if you can get a car company to license it.

Talking Heads and Brian Eno already worked together to pioneer the steady state approach to pop/rock back before the technology existed to make it easy.... they did such a good job on 'remain in light' that I never need to hear anyone else go down that path, it will pale in comparison to that masterpiece of innovation

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Sean Lennon.... dude lives in his dad's shadow, I mean? of course he does! John was a legend in his own time who was slain by a madman on the streets of New York, how do you follow an act like that? apparently with an amazing pop record like "Friendly Fire" and some first rate bass playing holding the chaos of Cibo Mato together. Poor guy is way underrated. He is way more talented than George and Ringo's musical sons. Paul's kids have such an intimidating father that they didn't even try... Sean is so rich he coulda gone that route, but he makes music anyway and its always first rate. Its a shame no one listens to his stuff. Half-brother Julian, Dhani Harrison and Zak Starkey aren't in the same league (though Zak gets a B for balls trying to fill Keith Moon's shoes in the Who).

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Far from it, you look like one of those dads that would hear his son saying "Hey dad, I'm hungry", to which you would reply, "Hi hungry, I'm dad!"

I was quoting someone who tried to insult me once. I kinda took it as a compliment at the time and have been repeating it ever since.

I have never said that... but maybe I will now that you mentioned it. Its just the sort of thing I WOULD say to my son, but I actually take feeding the kid really seriously both from a nutritional and fun standpoint.

Although Lucian would generally phrase his request for food more like this.... "Daddy, up!" I pick him up. "Going this way!" I take him to the kitchen where he's pointing and he violently jerks the the fridge open and peers around as if there's something he'll eat right out of there with no preparation involved. Then he'll go, "hmmmm, want pancakes." Even at like 7pm. Then I go, "That's just weird, dude. Its not breakfast anymore. Plus you had pancakes for breakfast. Can't I interest you in some...."

you get the idea

somewhere during this exchange he might inform me that its still early and that its DEFINITELY "not bedtime. No night night!"

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It's like your normal and goofie selves are two different people. Kind of surprising. Good to know.

never woulda guessed that when I'm not acting foolish I look like a shitty department store catalog model, right?

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I buy that.... here's a much maligned artist: Glenn Campbel! remembered more for his humiliating rhinestone cowboy period (people will do some pretty dumb stuff to feed a cocain habit, right?) than his work in the wrecking crew or his early career singing great tunes like Wichita Lineman

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I am not making a crazy face in a selfie in this one.... that's me alright, like I normally look when I am not being a goof for my son's amusement

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Hospital

right, internet hoodoo.... I knew it!

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Hospital

the dark arts!

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I had to search the web for these band shots, I don't even have them.... this was from our notorious 'mud shoot' -- what an awful time.... any band photographers with artistic pretensions and 'awesome photo shoot concepts' should have to be dunked in mud on a cold fall day for 6 hours and see how they like it!

http://imgur.com/HXwsa8q

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Was the bleached hair only for a period then?

I had a lot of hair colors back in my 20s... the pink Mohawk was the most amusing

http://imgur.com/k0IaBQS

circa 2007? I think this is from a 93.3 WMMR radio showcase at the Grape Street

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Haha, I'm not massively into them to tell you the truth but am listening to them at the moment because I've never actually listened to them properly haha. I'm just bored and though you might like them when you asked what song it was :P

I'm not telling you not to listen to them or not to like them, I am just saying I don't and I'm explaining why. Also, Josh Homme is calling and he wants his guitar sound back.

this is making me want to listen to blue cheer or the groundhogs....

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not a fan, nothing new and nothing particularly inspired in this zep-meets Sabbath late 70s inspired idiom.... they were playing this kind of pentatonic riff rock in the 90s and it felt fresh after the 80s, but only the strong survived.... in my youth these guys woulda been blown outta the water by the heavier seattle bands and the stoner rock acts of the day

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its so generic sounding I couldn't pick just one band that Royal Blood ripped off.... 10 years ago there were about 2 dozen bands just around Philly that sounded like them and it was already boring then

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all those hideous factories around Manchester gave us Joy Division, so we need them there

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I like "the woods", nice hooky chorus that doesn't do exactly what I expect from a brit band would do

this band is VERY British in the post-punk sense... most of their stuff just makes me want to listen to older bands who did it better

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I hung in a lot longer than was good for my mental health and happiness because I knew a separation was going to be hard on my son and that it would make my life really complicated for at least a year. When it first crossed my mind to head for the hills before the pregnancy I should have trusted my gut, but failing that I shoulda insisted on the trial separation I wanted after Lu was born. If I had stuck to my guns things may have worked out. We both needed time to think things over alone before it became too acrimonious.

Be cautious in bands and love. If a relationship of either type seems to be a match made in heaven it is probably too good to be true.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q835zxZboK8

There you are. Some of it's quite good, others is a bit average.

and that guy is 12 years old if hes a day.... I am checking it all out

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that's what my mother in law has.... I would call that an average piece of real eastate outside the city limits.... if you are not going to OWN 2 or 3 bedrooms in a good school district why move out of the city permanently?

I am seriously thinking of moving back to the city after my divorce and custody matters are settled.

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Another reason why you should come over here. If 50k won't buy you a house in a America albeit cheap or not, prices must be huge.

my mother in law's house (a smallish size place in an okay neighborhood with an average yard) cost her a good $300k, its devalued since our economic meltdown, but is still worth quite a bit more than a rare, red 335 from 1960...

keep in mind that we live between 2 of the largest cities in America right near the east coast, a VERY desireable patch of real estate (my rent in Philly was sky high, but I was right next to the art museum and had a great view, etc.... my ex worked in NYC for a bit but ahd to live across the river in NJ becaue the rent was too high for anyone but stock brokers) ... if I wanted to move to the Midwest the real-estate prices are low but so are salaries and so are the cultural and educational horizons for my son... think if the eastern seaboard of the USA as being like the London metropolitan area.... its where the big wheels turn and you pay to live there

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the one you just psoted.... I barely follow new music from the states and we don't get all of your music over here.... in my youth I sought this shit out, but I can't be bothered anymore as I seldom listen to music I already know about anymore let alone stuff I am unsure of quality-wise... I am usually busy and distracted to boot... I have today to myself.... I should be working on my own tunes, but I just can't come up with a single lyric today... I have nothing to say, alas

so if you link me a song I will probably listen as its helping me to procrastinate

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can you really put a price on great tone?

wait, I guess you can! its worth double the average income of a British subject!

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Ever heard of drenge lads.

no, but they have a badass sound.... song is a bit boring to listen to all the way through, but good stuff overall

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"NOW GO AWAY OR I SHALL TAUNT YOU A SECOND TIME!"

holy grail, Cleese as a French guard.... you are never going to stump anyone with such an obvious Python reference

"I told them we already got one, heh heh"

by the way, elderberry jam smells funny.... I bought some at a gourmet store a few years ago just to find out

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they're a bit generic from a writer and arranger's standpoint, but they have potential

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Which thread. It's not my favourite either, nothing is better than nothing

the one where I said I would date this singer based on looks alone

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I liked the tune in the other thread, this one didn't do as much for me, but since I listened to it I decided to answer Liam's question as best I could.

EDIT: I feel like wolf alice would benefit from listening to the who more often.... the structures would be more interesting if they would toss in a key change once in awhile like Pete used to because the songs are VERY simple and the only thing keeping them interesting is the guitar textures.... I get that they have their dyamicsvery limited as a nod to a lot of 90s british music that ahs that 'drone' thing going on, butits been done to death now, so if you wanna do that you ought to find ways to make it exciting so I am drawn to listen all the way through

if I were to produce a record for them I would apply a lot of pressure during pre-production to spice up the arrangements and to put more intensity into the guitar playing at times, even if I needed to throw things at the guitarists

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I say what I want and have no fear of mockery. Taunt away, young buck. Though I really did give myself a chuckle thinking about joining a british band. What a crazy idea.

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Any idea on how they get this lead sound? to me it sounds like theres a big muff and delay and maybe reverb and some other stuff that I really am not sure of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo5tjcK8HjI

I am not sure its a big muff, the attack on the notes is awfully defined to come from a muff, but there's a buzzy, nasty fuzz going and what sounds like that green line 6 delay maybe.... I can't tell if she is using reverb on her board if there was verb added to the whole mix in post production to give a sense of space to an outdoor performance...

I would try getting this sound with a digital delay after a tonebender MK2 or 3 or maybe a burns buzzaround fuzz.... if she has hot pickups then a maestro fz1 of fz1a would do it well too, great crispy, transistory attack and that nasty decay fuzz-heads idolize, but with stock fender pickups the maestro squelches out harder and gates itself, whereas the british fuzzes have the guts to sustain a bit more even at low 'attack' settings.

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I enjoyed wolf alice so much that I listened to those other 3 bands.... I wills tick with wolf alice, thanks.... I am not feeling the other 3 bands AT ALL, though the wytches have some cool vintage fuzz sounds.... there are just no songs there though

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a fawn vox and a tele? jeez, she's perfect

I see they have a whole handwired backline.... I even kinda like their sound, for being so much younger than I am, she seems to get what was good about 90s music

the male guitarist has awful technique, she should ditch him and get me instead LOL

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Portishead... at least in the USA they are underrated

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I don't want this to get creepy, but you're kind of right she is alright,

she's not as gorgeous as my ex wife, but she is not bad and she's in a band, that's extra points.... she's also not an entitled American, more points.... marrying someone who knows how beautiful she is opens you up to all sorts of problems and I will never do it again.... fairly attractive, kind and creative will do from now on

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I take it back about the weather.... I am sure you have plenty of nice days, but the weather is certainly nicer where I live.... its been no colder than 50 degrees during the day so far this winter and my son had been playing outside in nothing heavier than a hoody until the temp finally dipped below 65 this week....

I will not take it back about the coffee. But man do you guys know tea!

I think you 2 Limeys are just trying to get me to move so you can borrow my guitars and voxes!

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Parallel phasing

one thing I have done is to flange or phase my sound in stereo then phase one side, that may produce more of what you are looking for, but I don't really know what you're shooting for

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