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Pete's a good example, he always tells you when he's demoing an item he already owned or likes it so much he's keeping it and plans to use it in the studio or on the road, the rest of the stuff gets demoed and returned to the manufacturer to be sent on to the next reviewer. I just can't agree with demo videos constituting artist use unless they state that they plan to use it in their actual projects. In the end, everyone psots these demos and we allow it whether I think its misleading or not. Personally I feel a lot of folks like psoting deo videos because its an easy way to up their gear IQ and a lot of the young guys put a lot of stock in having huge scores next to their names. I don't begrudge them the points, I just feel like its misleading. If someone is trying tog et Pete Thorn's sound his page will be cluttered with gear he used once because he was paid to and it willt ake some work to weed thru and figure out what's actually in his current touring rig etc

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Pete's page is actually a giant, incomplete mess right now, cluttered with stuff he demoed but doesn't use but missing his guitars, some of his favorite amps and a lot fo the stuff on his various pedalboards.... there's as much demo submissions as there are legit submissions and it would be really confusing to someone trying to use Pete's rig(s) as a reference to build their own... and that's a big element of EB, chasing Jack White's sound was the inspiration for Michael and Gchiaren to build the site in the first place

Yeah, but then we would be tracing a very arbitrary line between which usage is fine to submit and which usage is wrong to based on individual opinions. It would suppose an abstraction of the demo instance as if it didn't existed though actually it did and the submissions are just a proof of that, and I insist about the fact that it actually means something to others for reasons different to yours and I think that these implied social diversity should be considered (I possible care even more about how Thorn, Abasi or Mika demo products than about what they actually end up using on their rigs). A field for usage type (stating demo/studio/live) as part of the submissions' information could help about filtering the diverse interests that one or other could possibly have, in the meanwhile you could blame Thorn for having that extra job that White just doesn't –and that's something that makes them different issues. :-)

I don't find gigging and legitimate studio work to be an arbitrary line. For instance, my pro page would look different than my user page. Much different.

My touring rig had little in common with my collection as a hobbyist. I also used to evaluate a lot of people's small batch effects at rehearsals and stuff but did not incorporate them into the road rig or take them in the studio. Occassionally one might get on a stage for a local show, but to say I 'used' that pedal would be a lie from my perspective. If someone said they saw me with an Omega-drive on the floor I would say,"what of it? I was road-testing it for my friend. Everything you heard was cranked plexi. I only ran it during soundcheck before you were in the venue."

Maybe my experiences color my perspective. Oddly enough, I rarely if ever used a Vox AC30 live because up until the fawn HW series the only great sounding ones were vintage and my '62 is far too fragile and valuable to tour with (not to mention being a bit weak in output for a hard rock band playing 500+ seat venues). But by your standards I would still have an ac30 on my pro board even though it didn't even make it onto any finished tracks any of my bands released (which were mostly 60s marshall and fender like my live set-up). I owned it even back then, but my from my point of view it was a collectable and not a workhorse. I still prefer to use my modern ac30 most of the time because its replaceable.

Maybe I blame the demoers whoa re not gigging musicians at all (like that gearmanndude) and just create product videos for creating this weird new job description that baffles me. Pete's easy to understand for a guy like me. He's a working player and he demoes gear as an extra job to make sure he keeps up his mortgage payments when hes between gigs. I still look at his demoing as a little amature business he runs to supplement his income from his full-time work.

But we've been doing it this way where demos and music videos count as usage since before I got to EB, so I will just eat it even though it bothers me. But I'm not going to stop voicing my alternate view point on the forum. I am just never going to feel like a demo video counts as legit pro usage. Its not my website though, so you don't have to worry.

Your matter with the AC30 point is other issue, the product demos are obviously very public instances, your comparison is clearly mixing apples with oranges then. Those are different standards, I'm exposing an explanation which differs from what you're saying. :-)

If I had a page dedicated to me and I found out a product I didn't even like was associated with me because there was photo evidence of me just holding it once, be it to try it out or as a joke, I would be irritated by it. As an example, I detest Gibson products. I have certainly picked them up and tried them out before. If someone associated me with Gibson instruments because of this, I would be irritated and assume the association was a poor attempt at a joke. Generally, when a musician in conversation mentions what gear they use, they don't list items they don't normally use, every item they've ever owned, or closer to a gear reviewer's case, gear they tried once.

We should have a series like "Wikipedia: Fact or Fiction" where we sit down with artists featured on the site and ask them if the gear on their page belongs :) . I'd love to see the confusion cross the face of someone like James Hetfield when we ask them, "So you play the recorder. We have a photo of you in 5th grade playing one. Would you consider it a part of your professional gear?"

What does it have to do with the specificity of cases that I pointed to? Nothing. You are indeed exposing things that I agree with, it's a mess to relate that with what I said before. We are talking about a very public instance with a clear commitment to the product, we as users are properly provided with sources that let us discern about its kind of use.

it seems similar to me, you are talking about demos, where an individual is paid o use a piece of gear... its essentially appearing in a commercial... if these fellows keep the gear they demo it probably sits in a drawer... I'm talking about a piece I like to be seen with, like to brag about, but never saw a ton of professional useage (if any... not that tis not a great amp)

my vintage ac30 is similar in that regard to some pieces of the vintage fuzz collection I used to have... I had a number of pedals in the drawer that were just there because they were gifts or because I bought them for the collection and didn't like them much... I tried them and drawered them, and if youtube demoes ahd been a big thing back then I probably woulda made demoes of all those weird old fuzz boxes, but they didn't get used professionally... I used to get free stuff to try at studios I worked at, mostly we would plug it in, try it, and unplug it without ever racking it. It would go in a closet. But we sure as hell put it on our gear list for clients on our webses because... why not! But was that use?

I guess I don't understand your explanation at all because I see gear demos as extended advertisements. These guys are spokespeople.

I wanna know what folks are actually gigging with and I guess I can't grok why one would care about gear that's not being actively used for gigs by an established artist. But if you do, be glad I don't make the submission guidelines.

As I said: I don't even mind if they keep it or not, I mind about the fact that they actually use it because it shows their approach to certain products and that's something that they decide to be part of their public exposure while luckily we provide sources to discern the kind of use. And also again: as you do not care about that kind of use there are other users that do, and therefore it is valid even for reasons that you do not care about, please respect the fact that others do even with all your obvious statements about it (you're not revealing anything new about the fact that those are commercials, that they may not keep the product, etc., those are things that most people can assume indeed). :-)

okey doke, its like 4ih here so I should try to get some actual work done and stop worrying about whether a demo is legit guitar gear use... but good god is it more interesting to think about than anything in my real life the last 5 years or so

I'm just sayin' if I'm working on my own music and think "what in my arsenal will make a sound like so-and-so's sound on such-and-such tour, I wonder what all he ahd in front of his amp?" and I scroll down EB, unless I want to look at each of the posts in depth and break my work flow I will be looking at a pretty confusing list if it has lots of demo items mixed in willy nilly.

I guess if one were seeking the tone from a specific demo they liked and couldn't remember what pedal it was for one could use EB as a quick reference to figure out what pedal or amp was being demoed rather than going to youtube. I guess that's a reason for having the demo videos as gear useage..... I am totally trying to think of some other reasons and can't.

man I am bored today

The core point currently is whether or not gear reviews and demos belong on an artist's page. The point you tried to make was that if it's a celebrity reviewing the item it does and if it's a corporation or business, it doesn't. I think there's probably a 50/50 split on the opinion of gear demos being on an EquipBoard. I don't feel the majority of users would split the difference between whether it's a celebrity or not because we have guidelines for who can have an artist's board. If they have one, they should be considered at least somewhat of a celebrity. So, any items that are temporarily used, the way they are in demos and reviews, are in the same camp regardless. It's more of a yay or nay situation.

yeah, it is yay or nay, why split hairs?

Good. Then we're all on the same page now. No more gear demos :P

We have destroyed the purpose of this thread me thinks heh

high five to Boom

I think a lot of what I said was mildly incoherent, but I woke up a smidge hung over from that last beer at the picnic yesterday and I have not been cookin' with gas (pun intended) today at all

in future, 2 beers is the appropriate number after 6pm

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Really?

http://equipboard.com/items/poorly-modifed-fender-mustang

I know, this guy.... hisss

Can this item please be deleted? http://equipboard.com/items/loar-lo-16

the guy who submitted tis needs the item changed:

http://equipboard.com/pros/simon-gallup/gibson-sg-standard-electric-guitar

he thought it was an SG and its really a Yamaha Super Flighter, probably an SF1000

Why, Lex?

By the way, someone please delete this:

http://equipboard.com/items/cort-mbc-1-red-sparkle-matthew-bellamy-signature-model