The Groundhogs – Split

McPhee used an Add-A-Sound that he personally modified, as known from the following sources:

ZigZag, March 1971, "Tony McPhee... Groundhog" by John Tobler

What about records? You’ve never thought of bringing in Moogs and what have you?

No, I’m not really a weird noise freak. I think it’s much better and cleverer to get a strange sound out of an ordinary instrument, which is why I admired Hendrix so much. He could make Moog noises with a guitar, and though I don’t consciously try to copy him, I do sometimes get similar effects.

Yes, and the wah-wah pedal often accentuates the similarity...

Well, a lot of people don’t realise about wah-wahs....I mean, every little step you bring it down is a different tone, and you can get all sorts of noises from it. I’ve also got an octave splitter which sounds great through the Laney gear — it gives you an octave above and an octave below. Hendrix uses one on ‘Machine Gun’ — it gives a sort of modulated note, where you have the note and other frequencies with it which aren’t really related, so you end up with a weird sort of dischordant sound. And I’m just discovering exactly what you can get out of this device.

Melody Maker, June 5, 1971, pg. 34, Any Questions?

I use a Laney 100-Watt stack, plus an Arbiter Add-A-Sound octave splitter, which adds higher harmonies, producing a "violin" sound and also lower octaves, which used [sic] on "Cherry Red." I modified this unit and built in a pre-amp with high-pass filter which acts as a treble boost. I also use a Shcaller [sic] wah-wah pedal. On "Thank Christ" we had completely different equipment, so the sound is different on "Split", plus the fact that I also used a Fender Stratocaster for many of the numbers on "Split," notably parts 2 and 4, using a combination of wah-wah and tremolo arm to get "whizzing" effects.

Sounds, March 18, 1972, "The Groundhogs: Tony McPhee At The Talk-In" by Jerry Gilbert

Since Thank Christ For The Bomb you've started to get into sounds and effects which you can obtain by using the studios and also by modifying your guitar and amplification.

Yeah definitely. Studios are weird things, you know you can get a sound on stage which suits you but you can't get it in a studio so you have to muck about with it quite a bit and in doing so you get a different sound. I use a wah-wah pedal which I'm using less of now – it got a bit tiresome after a while – then there's a new thing called an octave splitter and that just sort of gives you a rough octave above and below.

You can get sounds like a bass and sustained sounds with a weird quality and in effect it's like an electrical Rory Gallagher – you know this ability he's got of striking harmonics, well in actual fact that's what it does, so you can cheat quite well on those things. Also playing two notes at once it gives you the same effect as a ring modulator which is very trendy these days... notes which are the subtraction and addition of the two frequencies and this sort of thing which gives you a bubbly sort of sound. That's all I get along with really but I do feel now that I want more – not simply from gadgets because I don't use these as gadgets, I use them as separate instruments really.

The whole point is I knew I could imitate things like strings on the new album but I wanted the actual strings sound for some reason otherwise it makes it another freaky album which I didn't want to do. When the mellotron comes on stage we are going to have to re-think quite drastically – not that we do much thinking; we'll probably just slide along like we always do.

July 8, 1972 photos from Carl Dunn of The Groundhogs performing at Concert 10, posted to Facebook by McPhee on September 12, 2011 (Photo 1, Photo 2) (visible)

Hogwash liner notes

Dallas Arbiter Octave Splitter

Sounds, May 5, 1973, "Mac’s Home Cooking: The Groundhogs" by Jerry Gilbert

For having exploited the full range of guitar sounds via the various echo and wah-wah pedals and octave splitter, he turned to the electronic keyboard instruments just as a duck turns to water.

"I only want to use a synthesiser to synthesise — nothing more. I synthesised a drum kit and got an amazing brass sound. I want to use a brass sound on the new album, but brass musicians are a pain in the arse so this is ideal. You can never mistake a synthesiser for the real thing, though, because it has characteristics of its own".

Andrew Liles website, Discography, "Split-Up" (2015)

In 1971 when ‘Split’ was originally released, there were {a few} guitar pedals, mainly wah-wah, overdrive & chorus (with a bit of phasing or ‘flanging’). I had an Arbiter and a sound early octave pedal but I was keen to find ‘new’ sounds, like ring modulation. Some of the 70’s bands have re-done their most popular albums but I never thought I could improve on Split, with Martin Birch engineering at De Lane Lea studios, it had it all!

When Andrew Liles (regarded by some to be the funniest man) told me he’d like to re-do Split I thought he was having a laugh, but he has done what I would have IF I’d had the modern pedals.

Andrew has done me a great service by bringing my recordings into the 21st Century.

Tony (T.S.) McPhee – 2015

Acquired by McPhee sometime after the recording of Hogwash and used for The Two Sides of Tony (T.S.) McPhee, as stated in this May 5, 1973 Sounds interview, a November 1974 Beat Instrumental interview and in a 1997 interview with John Tobler.

Sounds, May 5, 1973, "Mac’s Home Cooking: The Groundhogs" by Jerry Gilbert

Tony started building the studio in January, the centrepiece being an eight track console which he’d procured from the De Lane Lea studios in Kingsway. As a technician for whom nothing less than the right sound is sufficient, he made up his mind that Hogwash would be the last album the Groundhogs would record in London.

[...]

"Studios really piss me off so I wanted to get my own studio done because it was necessary", McPhee blandly pointed out. "It started off as a four-track and then became eight when I got this equipment."

[...]

"The eight track I have is obsolescent, which means that I have to go and stick jacks in round the back but that doesn’t matter — I mean how much more can you get from a modern machine?"

Beat Instrumental, November 1974, "Home Studios: Tony McPhee" by Del Robinson, pgs. 28

Tony certainly has plenty of opportunity to develop his engineering now. For a start, the centrepiece of the crowded control room is the Cadac 8-track desk, which he bought second-hand from Majestic Studios in Clapham. 'It can be converted very easily to 16.' This is the second desk Tony's installed in his home studio. 'I did a deal with De Lane Lea, before they became Kingsway Recorders, and bought about £5,500 worth of gear, which was the basis of a complete studio.

'I used the original desk to do my solo album, but it didn't have the advantage of pan pots, so when this one came up I decided to take it. I've ordered an Ampex 16-track recording machine which I should be getting very soon.'

Rock's Backpages audio, "AUDIO: The Groundhogs' Tony McPhee (1997)" by John Tobler (@ 53:38)

Tony "T.S." McPhee: So, by that time, I'd got equipment, 'cause my idea was it's cheaper to buy the equipment. Then you can, from that point, you can have as many albums as you'd like. Yeah.

John Tobler: Yeah. You mean recording it?

McPhee: Recording from it, yeah.

Tobler: Okay.

McPhee: So I actually bought out De Lane Lea... a eight-track,

Tobler: Yeah.

McPhee: which is what we did Thank Christ and Split on.

Tobler: Oh.

McPhee: And other assorted bits and pieces. And so, from that point on, I did my own albums.

The following information further corroborates that the A-Range built for De Lane Lea Kingsway was sold to McPhee:

1. The March 1970 issue of Beat Instrumental reports on page 23: "Equipment at Kingsway includes an 18-channel 8-track console, custom-built by Sound Techniques, which was also responsible for the electronics of the 8-track tape machine, which has a 3M deck. In addition, there are Ampex four-track, two-track and mono machines and an EMI mono."
2. The May 1970 issue of Beat Instrumental reports on page 12: "At De Lane Lea's Kingsway studios, the Groundhogs were putting finishing touches to their album".
3. On the "Recording Consoles" page of Sound Techniques' website, there are only pictures of the A-Range consoles built for De Lane Lea Wembley and De Lane Lea Soho. Yet, the site's "History" page lists a total of three De Lane Lea consoles: Soho, Kingsway and Wembley.

Besides this photo, McPhee's Schaller wah-wah is known from the following sources:

August 27, 1970 photograph by Charles Everest of The Groundhogs at the 1970 Isle of Wight festival

ZigZag, March 1971, "Tony McPhee... Groundhog" by John Tobler

What about records? You’ve never thought of bringing in Moogs and what have you?

No, I’m not really a weird noise freak. I think it’s much better and cleverer to get a strange sound out of an ordinary instrument, which is why I admired Hendrix so much. He could make Moog noises with a guitar, and though I don’t consciously try to copy him, I do sometimes get similar effects.

Yes, and the wah-wah pedal often accentuates the similarity...

Well, a lot of people don’t realise about wah-wahs....I mean, every little step you bring it down is a different tone, and you can get all sorts of noises from it. I’ve also got an octave splitter which sounds great through the Laney gear — it gives you an octave above and an octave below. Hendrix uses one on ‘Machine Gun’ — it gives a sort of modulated note, where you have the note and other frequencies with it which aren’t really related, so you end up with a weird sort of dischordant sound. And I’m just discovering exactly what you can get out of this device.

Beat, May 1971, "Groundhogs' 'Split'" by T.T., pg. 17

'A lot of the strange sounds you hear on Split were actually done in the studio,' he adds, 'but all I use on stage is me guitar, me amp, and a wah-wah.'

Melody Maker, June 5, 1971, pg. 34, Any Questions?

I use a Laney 100-Watt stack, plus an Arbiter Add-A-Sound octave splitter, which adds higher harmonies, producing a "violin" sound and also lower octaves, which used [sic] on "Cherry Red." I modified this unit and built in a pre-amp with high-pass filter which acts as a treble boost. I also use a Shcaller [sic] wah-wah pedal. On "Thank Christ" we had completely different equipment, so the sound is different on "Split", plus the fact that I also used a Fender Stratocaster for many of the numbers on "Split," notably parts 2 and 4, using a combination of wah-wah and tremolo arm to get "whizzing" effects. I use two other guitars, a Gibson SG which I've had for ten years, and recently I bought a Zemaitis, which I used on Top Of The Pops. This guitar was custom built for me by Tony Zemaitis and has an engraved metal front. It has one Fender and one Gibson pick-up but any could be fitted. Cost of similar guitar would be around £250 from Tony at 19 Laitwood Road, Balham, London SW12 (01-675 1342). On "Junk Man", the wind sound is transistor noise from the wah-wah pedal and the other effects were obtained using the Stratocaster with tremolo arm, wah-wah pedal and volume pedal simultaneously, and then playing the track through a speaker at one end of the studio picking it up with a mike at the other end, panning this against the original track in the mix at the same time varying the speed of the 8-track machine! All the other effects were obtained with pedals and channel panning. I played the organ which happened to be in the studio that day. I sang to a pre-recorded backing track on Top Of The Pops, but it would have been a lot easier to have done the whole thing live!

Sounds, March 18, 1972, "The Groundhogs: Tony McPhee At The Talk-In" by Jerry Gilbert

Since Thank Christ For The Bomb you've started to get into sounds and effects which you can obtain by using the studios and also by modifying your guitar and amplification.

Yeah definitely. Studios are weird things, you know you can get a sound on stage which suits you but you can't get it in a studio so you have to muck about with it quite a bit and in doing so you get a different sound. I use a wah-wah pedal which I'm using less of now – it got a bit tiresome after a while – then there's a new thing called an octave splitter and that just sort of gives you a rough octave above and below.

You can get sounds like a bass and sustained sounds with a weird quality and in effect it's like an electrical Rory Gallagher – you know this ability he's got of striking harmonics, well in actual fact that's what it does, so you can cheat quite well on those things. Also playing two notes at once it gives you the same effect as a ring modulator which is very trendy these days... notes which are the subtraction and addition of the two frequencies and this sort of thing which gives you a bubbly sort of sound. That's all I get along with really but I do feel now that I want more – not simply from gadgets because I don't use these as gadgets, I use them as separate instruments really.

The whole point is I knew I could imitate things like strings on the new album but I wanted the actual strings sound for some reason otherwise it makes it another freaky album which I didn't want to do. When the mellotron comes on stage we are going to have to re-think quite drastically – not that we do much thinking; we'll probably just slide along like we always do.

• July 8, 1972 photos from Carl Dunn of The Groundhogs performing at Concert 10, posted to Facebook by McPhee on September 12, 2011 (Photo 1, Photo 2) (visible)

Sounds, May 5, 1973, "Mac’s Home Cooking: The Groundhogs" by Jerry Gilbert

For having exploited the full range of guitar sounds via the various echo and wah-wah pedals and octave splitter, he turned to the electronic keyboard instruments just as a duck turns to water.

"I only want to use a synthesiser to synthesise — nothing more. I synthesised a drum kit and got an amazing brass sound. I want to use a brass sound on the new album, but brass musicians are a pain in the arse so this is ideal. You can never mistake a synthesiser for the real thing, though, because it has characteristics of its own".

Hogwash liner notes

Schaller Wah Wah Pedals

Facebook, Tony McPhee, September 13, 2011

Succinctly put,Col, I even had a Schaller Wah-wah nicked off the stage Newcastle City Hall. People were searched as they went out but they'd obviously stashed it somewhere.

Facebook, Tony McPhee, September 13, 2011

Tony McPhee Succinctly put,Col, I even had a Schaller Wah-wah nicked off the stage Newcastle City Hall. People were searched as they went out but they'd obviously stashed it somewhere.

Col Price Daunting when your out on tour. That message came through and i had Split pt2 on. Full on wah riff.

Tony McPhee That was the Schaller pedal, better than the Cry baby in my opinion, hard to find now. Actually I might try Ebay!!

Interview with Tony Bacon for The SG Guitar Book: 50 Years of Gibson's Stylish Solid Guitar (2015), excerpted in Guitar, "The oral history of the Gibson SG" by Tony Bacon (September 3, 2019)

“Also, I put a push-button switch mid-body that put a capacitor across the output, like a tone control – my version of a wah-wah pedal, before I got my first Schaller wah. I’d press it in solos and so on to imitate a wah pedal.

McPhee used a homemade amplifier head with Truth, Herbal Mixture, the John Dummer Blues Band, and The Groundhogs until the recording of Split, by which time the unhoused amp was irreparably broken due to fall damage and obsolete components. It is attested by the following sources:

Melody Maker, December 14, 1968, "Out of the Groundswell the New Groundhogs" by Max Jones

He tried a few more things when the Truth folded, then formed his own group, the Herbal Mixture, with Pete Cruickshank (former Groundhog bass player) and drummer Mick Meekam.

"The psychedelic scene was blossoming," says Tony, "so I built a fuzz into my amp and, wearing bizarre garb, we played the Electric Garden, Roundhouse and other feedback clubs."

The Mixture recorded for Columbia and, at this time, McPhee began singing. Then this group separated and, earlier this year, he joined the John Dummer Blues Band, and, in his words, "felt my way back into blues again."

Disc and Music Echo, June 6, 1970, "Me and My Music: Tony McPhee", pg. 9

Plays a Gibson SG, a Framus 9-string, a Harmony Sovereign acoustic and builds his own amplification equipment. Uses a 30-watt amp with eight speakers in two cabinets.

ZigZag, March 1971, "Tony McPhee... Groundhog" by John Tobler

Let’s get onto your equipment....why the change to Laney gear?

Well, I liked the stuff we used to have but it just literally became obsolete. I built my own amplifier and it was what I wanted, but I never got round to putting it in a cabinet and people used to drop it because it was just mounted in a sort of rabbit hutch thing and wasn’t screwed in properly. But I couldn’t replace the broken parts because they were so old, and we had to think about some new gear. We shopped around — looked at HiWatt and Marshall, but eventually settled for Laney. There’s not really much to choose between makes, but this Laney stuff gave out what it claimed to give out and seemed OK....though I’ve made some alterations to improve the tone, because I’m as interested in getting a good sound as I am in volume.

Beat Instrumental, June 1978, "Don't Mention the Gr**ndh*gs! says Tony 'T.S.' McPhee. Peter Douglas apologises" by Peter Douglas, pg. 18

The only amplifier that I really liked was one I built myself a long time ago. It was the only one that would do everything that I wanted it to, and some time ago I got hold of the parts again — and transformers for valve amps are pretty rare now. I've still got these parts at home, so I must make another one up.

Blues.Gr, "An Interview with Tony "TS" McPhee of The Groundhogs: A Legendary Artist of British Blues History" by Michael Limnois (June 28, 2013)

What do you miss most nowadays from the 60s and your first steps in music?

The thrill of getting my first guitar and amp & modifying them to my own requirements, these days guitars and amps are factory set-up, I used to have to stone the frets on all my guitars and modify my amps, maybe change the pre-amp wiring.

London, Reign Over Me: How England's Capital Built Classic Rock (2020) by Stephen Tow, Chapter 6, pg. 171

In 1966, the Groundhogs would morph into the psychedelic Herbal Mixture in 1966, but that fizzled out after a couple of years; they eventually re-formed the Groundhogs as a power trio by 1969. By that time, the blues boom was in full force. What distinguished this generation of blues from the earlier R&B boom? One word: “Heavier,” McPhee exclaimed. The evolving equipment, including the Marshall Super 100 head featuring 100-watt power, had something to do with it as well. “With the invention of the fuzz box used on the Stones’ ‘Satisfaction,’ [plus the Taste’s] Rory Gallagher had used a treble boost for ages, so changing or modifying the guitar sound was necessary even in the ’60s,” McPhee wrote me. “Heavier sounds was the next step, so amps and speakers had to get louder and bigger. I made or modified my own amps and made my own speaker cabinets. I made [bassist] Pete Cruickshank’s cabinets also.”

McPhee used at least four Stratocasters, which are known from the following sources:

• 1969 photograph, posted to Facebook by The Groundhogs on January 12, 2010 (visible)

• August 15, 1970 photograph of McPhee at the Krumlin Festival, which became the cover of Split (Source 1, Source 2) (visible)

• Claudio Hosquet's footage of the 1970 Isle of Wight festival (Part 2 of 5) (@ 2:38)

• Melody Maker, June 5, 1971, pg. 34, Any Questions?

I use a Laney 100-Watt stack, plus an Arbiter Add-A-Sound octave splitter, which adds higher harmonies, producing a "violin" sound and also lower octaves, which used [sic] on "Cherry Red." I modified this unit and built in a pre-amp with high-pass filter which acts as a treble boost. I also use a Shcaller [sic] wah-wah pedal. On "Thank Christ" we had completely different equipment, so the sound is different on "Split", plus the fact that I also used a Fender Stratocaster for many of the numbers on "Split," notably parts 2 and 4, using a combination of wah-wah and tremolo arm to get "whizzing" effects. I use two other guitars, a Gibson SG which I've had for ten years, and recently I bought a Zemaitis, which I used on Top Of The Pops. This guitar was custom built for me by Tony Zemaitis and has an engraved metal front. It has one Fender and one Gibson pick-up but any could be fitted. Cost of similar guitar would be around £250 from Tony at 19 Laitwood Road, Balham, London SW12 (01-675 1342). On "Junk Man", the wind sound is transistor noise from the wah-wah pedal and the other effects were obtained using the Stratocaster with tremolo arm, wah-wah pedal and volume pedal simultaneously, and then playing the track through a speaker at one end of the studio picking it up with a mike at the other end, panning this against the original track in the mix at the same time varying the speed of the 8-track machine! All the other effects were obtained with pedals and channel panning. I played the organ which happened to be in the studio that day. I sang to a pre-recorded backing track on Top Of The Pops, but it would have been a lot easier to have done the whole thing live!

• July 8, 1972 photos from Carl Dunn of The Groundhogs performing at Concert 10, posted to Facebook by McPhee on September 12, 2011 (Photo 1, Photo 2) (visible)

• Hogwash liner notes

Fender Stratocaster

• Solid back cover

Instruments used :

Gibson S.G, Fender Stratocaster, Yamaha Acoustic, Zemaitis Bass, Ludwig Drums, ARP 2600 Synthesizer, Mellotron

• WWA press kit for Solid (1974), profile for McPhee

INSTRUMENTS: Gibson SG, Fender Stratocaster, Zemaitis, Yamaha, Harmony Acoustics, H/H Amplification, ARP 2600 synthesizer and EMS Sequencer

• Beat Instrumental, March 1976, "Tony McPhee: The Hogs Return" by Chris Simmons, pg. 25

Tony had already defined himself as a "sounds rather than notes" man, and we discussed his choice of equipment bearing his definition in mind. On the guitar side he has both a Gibson SG Junior and a Strat, enjoying the variation that two such different axes offer. "I've had the Gibson about fourteen years," he enlarged; "at various times I've thought about buying other guitars, but I'm glad I didn't. It's an all-round guitar, and the wide neck suits my style of finger playing. As well as the thinner, harsher sound the Strat gives me, the main advantage there is the tremolo arm. Actually, I also have a Zemaitis fitted out with humbucking pick ups so that it's quite close to the Gibson sound, but have never really found it fits."

• Footage of The Groundhogs performing "Your Love Keeps Me Alive" at the Marquee on October 28th, 1976 (starting at 0:10)

• Beat Instrumental, June 1978, "Don't Mention the Gr**ndh*gs! says Tony 'T.S.' McPhee. Peter Douglas apologises" by Peter Douglas, pg. 18

"I thought what I needed was a total change all round. I used to use the SG almost totally, and I've still got the Zemaitis — it's hanging up on the wall, been there for years! The trouble was that the metal front tended to oxidise with the sweat, and I thought it was just going to get ruined. I thought I'd rather wait until I could get some sort of coating put on it. I've been trying to figure that out. Nobody's come up with a good answer. I've always liked the raunchy sound of the Strat, and towards the latter part of using the Gibson I fixed a Strat pick-up in the middle between the two Gibson pick-ups, but it still didn't react the same — the density of the body and all that sort of stuff obviously had something to with it — so I decided that I'd have to get used to the Strat.

"I used to play finger-style, and the Gibson strings were further apart, and the neck was wider and flatter, so I thought, well, with the Strat I'd have to get used to a pick again because of the heftier fingerboard. But now that I have got used to it, it was a good thing because I had to totally change style. I've also put on heavier gauge strings. I used to have ridiculous strings — started off with a .007, went on to something like a .009, .011, .018 . . . I used to have an unwound 4th sometimes! Well, playing finger-style that's fine, but with a pick they annoyed me after a while — too floppy. So now I start off with a .009, .011, .014, .022, .032, .042 — something like that, usually Rotosound. I find that they work OK. I've never been a great strings fanatic ..."

• The Yelping Hounds, Issue 17 (Spring 1998), "Split" by Paul Freestone

The front of the album featured a striking image of Tony McPhee split into circular segments. The guitarist is playing a white fender stratocaster which is one of the two guitars he used for the recording sessions for Split. The white strat didn't belong to McPhee - it was borrowed from his brother-in-law who refused all offers to part with it. [...] Both of the two guitars McPhee used on Split have disappeared without trace. The ex-brother-in-law (from McPhee's first marriage ) who owned the white strat is now deceased. The guitar was sold before his death but to whom is unknown. (It's odd to think that the the current owner of the white strat has probably no idea of its true historical & financial value.)

• Facebook, Tony McPhee, September 12, 2011

Pooconos festival looking towards stage, Me playing my grey 1963 Strat( later stolen in Wales, bugger it!)

• Interview with Tony Bacon for The SG Guitar Book: 50 Years of Gibson's Stylish Solid Guitar (2015), excerpted in Guitar, "The oral history of the Gibson SG" by Tony Bacon (September 3, 2019)

“I got my SG Standard from the Selmer shop in Charing Cross Road, central London, in 1962. I chose it because it had a tremolo arm like a Stratocaster, which was my first choice – Hank Marvin had a Strat and I loved the single-coil sound of its pickups.

“I also loved the sound of Gretsch guitars and the look of their Jet Firebird. But the SG had the side-action vibrato – I hate the term whammy bar. And the clincher was the position of the pickup selector switch, similar to a Strat’s – but not a Goldtop’s, which was in the wrong place, ergonomically, as far as I was concerned. And the Goldtop was a heavy guitar.

• The SG Guitar Book: 50 Years of Gibson's Stylish Solid Guitar (2015) by Tony Bacon, pgs. 33-34

"I chose the SG Standard because it had a tremolo arm like a Stratocaster," McPhee recalls, "which was my first choice – Hank Marvin had a Strat and I loved the single-coil sound of its pickups." The Selmer shop had no Strats, so his attention turned to other possibilities. "I also loved the sound of Gretsch guitars and the look of the Jet Fire Bird. But the SG had the side-action vibrato, and the clincher was the position of the pickup selector switch, similar to a Strat’s – but not a Goldtop’s, which was in the wrong place, ergonomically, as far as I was concerned."

• strat-talk.com (Fender Stratocaster Guitar Forum), March 3, 2017 reply by simoncroft on "The Fastfingers pic thread." by Fastfingers

Even in the early 70s, you could get a '60s Strat for around the £100 mark if you were lucky. Usually, they'd be a bit tatty/amateur refin for that money, but I knew a guy in a C&W group who was lucky enough to bump into some guy called Tony McPhee. Eddie Green had barely heard of The Groundhogs, but he had a certain 'gift of the gab', so Tony sold him a white 60's Strat for £95, from memory.

• strat-talk.com (Fender Stratocaster Guitar Forum), May 31, 2019 reply by simoncroft on "Pre-CBS Values In The 80s???" by mikej89

stratfan said:

Strats were worth nothing in the early 70's. I went around all the music shops in Birmingham, England, to sell my white '62 and was offered generally £60. I sold it for the only offer of £80, virtually mint. I bought it used (private sale) around 1965 for £35 - from someone who must have been desperate for the money (it was offered at £70)! Obviously, I wish I had kept it, but nobody knew then that the vintage Strat market would take off so spectacularly. I still have my Fiesta Red '62 which I bought used in 1963 for £130. New price then was £172 - a lot of money in 1963 for a 17 year-old!

Check out @Alan Crossley's post ^. I'm sorry to say it, but you were robbed, mate. Unfortunately, dealers have to charge VAT, pay all the overheads of their business, and make a profit. £200-250 would have been closer to market value, although I occasionally saw them go for a lot less. (I know someone who bought one from Tony McPhee of The Groundhogs for £99 around that time!)

Listed among Cruickshank's equipment in the liner notes of Hogwash and mentioned by The Groundhogs bandmate Tony McPhee in a May 1971 Beat interview. It can also be seen in a photo of The Groundhogs posted to Facebook by Basket Case on November 20, 2013.

Beat, May 1971, "Groundhogs' 'Split'" by T.T., pg. 17

The amps that Groundhogs favour ('our old stuff was great but it was falling apart and it was all different plugs anyway') is Laney, which, says Tony, is the best deal in gear they could find. He and Peter each have two stacks of Laney equipment—'it gives out what it claims'—and are very satisfied, although there are some longings for their old gear (sentimentality, possibly).

Hogwash liner notes

3 Laney 100 watt. Amps.

In this January 6, 2016 Facebook post of a newspaper clipping about Gunner Cade, Pustelnik identifies the kit he is photographed playing to be a 1950s Super Classic kit that he used for The Groundhogs' Split.

The second lineup version of " Gunner Cade " . This was probably the most musically accomplished band I ever formed. L/R , J.D. Fanger , gtr ( he later became Depeche Modes sound engineer & tour manager ) , " Boney " , viola ( the daughter of a Bristol City player ) , moi ( playing the late 50's Ludwig Super Classic I used on our Gold album " Split " { The Groundhogs } ) Helen Bevington , violin ( better known as Helen O'Hara when she used the stage name in Dexy's Midnight Runners ) and last but not least , keyboard & flute player Richard Lewis , who later formed " Startled Insects " and achieved a very high profile for their compositions for David Attenboroughs " Wildlife on One " series . As is typical of my musical career there is almost no photo / video of this band.