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a search for "maroon boat speakers" might have cracked this one:

https://voidacoustics.com/airten-v2/

Do we have a match?

BOAT SPAKER?! I don't see a boat, but there it is... LOL you know I'm kidding, right?

Hey, you make a speaker shaped like a marine speaker, Google's image search AI is gonna think it's a boat speaker... Their marketing department has some SEO work to do. It shouldn't be this hard to find a uniquely-styled new product that is being used by one of the world's leading DJs.

I'm just stoked to have found it! https://media.giphy.com/media/87NS05bya11mg/giphy.gif

a search for "maroon boat speakers" might have cracked this one:

https://voidacoustics.com/airten-v2/

Do we have a match?

y'know, they have to be dual concentric.... but they don't appear to have a tweeter... and they are set up dead out of phase.... hmmm

endless mystery. At this point, if they end up being fancy wakeboard speakers, stolen from a nearby boat, I wouldn't be shocked.

then again I'm a black widower... I'm 0 for 1 in spousal survival. Perhaps its my fate to leave a trail of former blondes...

correlation doesn't imply causation... unless there's something you're not telling us...

I have been poking around all day while I was helping my son with remote school and I have come up with ZERO. Could they be a prop?

You rule Jim! Thanks for taking a look.

...so now it's mystery speakers: 2, EB: 0

re: props, @4:26 when the sun is on them, they sure look to be pumping along to the music like functioning speakers... and Charlotte typically has 8" KRKs or similar setup for monitoring during all other such outdoor sets... so I think these are indeed her stage monitors, or whatever DJs would call speakers used like this.

also, if you happen to talk to Charlotte tell her to look me up on social media.... I've got a really nice home studio and an adorable little boy! Ultra-single.

Deal. I'll put your best food forward for you, if you brush up on your Dutch in the meantime. I'm sure she speaks flawless English, but a little effort never hurt, right? ;)

nicely done. cheers!

1. Good eye! To the best of my knowledge, the DX27 lacks the built-in chorus and split/layer capability of the DX21, so the differences are small, but worth noting. "Needs improvement" is a fair rating for the submission in question. Now we wait... a few years... and maybe someone with admin abilities will remove it or change the attributed instrument... IDK. Things like this tend to sit for awhile, not much we can do.

2. If the actual Artist playing those keys doesn't have an Artist page, ADD THEM! :) Then attribute the DX-27 to that newly-added artist. 10 IQ points, easy money. I'm not sure what the gear IQ threshold is now for add-Artist capability, but surely you're past that threshold?

EDIT: Jim also mentioned the lack-of-chorus. Sorry to be redundant.

just making sure, its hard to see anything past the DJ... she's definitely my type

She's really mastered this pandemic-era beautiful-remote-location-mix-video format. My hat is off to her.

EDIT: are those drivers concave? WTF?!

Looks like it... I am so stumped.

what, the things that look like small, burgundy jet engines?

yes, the burgundy orbs pointed at her head. WTF are those?

https://imgur.com/Bw9JWo9

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4R-9ea3kV0&t=3054s

Charlotte's monitors look like little round jet engines pointed at her head. I can't seem to ID the make/model of these things... anyone have any leads?

Feel free to log them if you know, I'm looking for answers, not Gear IQ points.

Also, this mix is worth a listen if you're at all open to contemporary capital-T Techno.

UPDATE 12/3/2020:

Answer: Void Acoustics Airten V3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZpUa65bXxI

"I'm going to fight it.... but I'll let it live. Now give me my dynamite."

Godspeed, Zissou. :)

What's the ultimate goal of this thread?

https://youtu.be/uM-BE3p9TUI?t=61

Lol... but every account posted here is still alive and kicking... just like Zissou's shark.

Are there any plans to take actual action against these accounts? ... or is a mild public shaming before a few dozen forum loyalist the extent of the punishment?

Everyday will bring new examples.

Can I ask (non-rhetorically) why these instances are being chronicled here in public and not on a private thread for moderators?

What's the ultimate goal of this thread?

• If the artist was actively involved in the design process but he never put his hands on the final product, as with Randy Rhoads and the RR1, then I would deem that invalid. Only the previous prototypes could be submitted to him.

RR1 is a great example that I was previously unaware of. Fender Jagstang is another one in this same category. I feel the same way you do: regardless of artist level of pre-production involvement, she/he/they need to have lived long enough to use the commercially-available version.

My $0.02:

We are users cataloging what we own or once owned, based on the honor system.

The Artist profiles are a catalog of what that Artist has used, but not necessarily owned, based on reputable photographic or print evidence.

Two different contexts. Apples and oranges.

At times, it does seem weird to me to attribute something the artist used that belonged to a studio or to another artist, but 14 year old me would be coming here to find out what guitars and FX Andy Summers used on the early Police albums, or what Billy Corgan used on Gish... and I wouldn't really care if they owned that gear, borrowed it, stole it, or found it in the studio's gear locker... I'd just want info on what was making those sounds I'm hearing from all these BMG Music Club CDs.

Also, there is no practical way to verify what an artist owns vs. borrowed vs. used just because the Engineer put it in front of them. It's a level of detail that would break the fragile social contracts and unspoken agreements that keep this site moving forward.

So, yeah, if they verifiably used it live or on a recording, it's fair game as far as I'm concerned. Establishing legal ownership would be a weird and potentially counter-productive standard to impose.

Also: As users, we have the ability to create a separate category on our board for gear we've used, but do not own... especially when it comes to things like big consoles, expensive vintage mics, and speakers that cost more than a good used car. If anyone here had experience with such studio staples, and wanted to add it to a clearly marked section of their board so they could comment on their personal experience with such gear, I think that would be awesome.

...but again, just my personal take. Others will surely differ.

I kept seeing mentions of the Fresh Air deal in various blogs I read, but you're the one that got me to take action and actually grab it. Many thanks!

The ability to hide the expensive and/or vintage items when sending it out. I wouldn't be at all comfortable with anyone in my life spending big $$$ on some shiny new thing and I wouldn't want anyone other than me dealing with buying a 30 year old drum machine off Reverb... so many questions one must ask about condition, service history, etc.

That's a really great idea. A "hide this when sharing" flag for each item in your wishlist. It shall be implemented!

Simple. I like it!

FUCK THIS BITCHES. its the music business, not business now featuring 1% music... I'm sick of this way of thinking.

This is our collective dynamic tonight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qv7k2_lc0M

I've been trying to get one to replace my poly800 sold during a bad patch.... because the poly800 is the shit. Everyone hates it so its cheap. But tis paraphonic like a stripped downmonopoly and its the sound of detroit. Its not as bad as folks say it is and I sued my poly800 a lot for string machine duty back in the day as well as stacked techno stabs. Don't sell your Juno, PK, butif you've got that, an alpha or 106 (the 60 and 60 are too classy), all your drum machines and a 4 op FM synth you can just lay hard into some old school techno without trying.

I missed this in the (relative) flurry of replies. You get me, Jim. Thank you.

Are you proposing that tags would be per-artist rather than database-wide?

Yes exactly, per artist (or more specifically per specific submission). It could be part of a larger tagging system that would include things like "Used live," "Used in studio," and whatever else might be interesting.

The larger tagging system you mention could be interesting, but feels like something further out in the roadmap from here on the ground. As an example, just this week I twice tried to submit gear to an artist, only to find out that exact gear was already logged, and I didn't find/see it in my initial sweep of the Artist's profile... in both cases the gear I missed was wayyyyy below the "show more" fold for its category... something to help this type of profile navigation feels like a more immediate need...if tagging could be the answer, and I think tagging could indeed play a role, then, as a user, I'd welcome it...

...but, the scope of the problem that kicked off this thread feels pretty limited to me, personally. Licensed posthumous gear is fairly specific to the rock and blues guitar market, and the # of departed artists whose estates permit such things is pretty small:

(in no deliberate order)

1. Hendrix
2. Cobain
3. SRV
4. EVH?
5. BB King
6. Bob Marley
7. George Harrison
8. John Lennon
9. Dimebag Darrell

and likely a dozen or so others. Other than this latest entry with the Jimi strings, how often does the posthumous guitar gear problem/opportunity pop up here?

Edit: updated list to include a few more artists whose estates surprisingly allow posthumous signature gear

If you want a Poly-800 this is the way to go. The Poly-800 doesn’t handle system exclusive, while the EX-800 does.

Thank you for clarifying this point. The ability to use this thing with a software editor or my old Kenton Control Freak would be a hard requirement, given the lack of knobs.

What features would you need to be able to email it out to your friends & family during the holidays and feel good about doing so?

The ability to hide the expensive and/or vintage items when sending it out. I wouldn't be at all comfortable with anyone in my life spending big $$$ on some shiny new thing and I wouldn't want anyone other than me dealing with buying a 30 year old drum machine off Reverb... so many questions one must ask about condition, service history, etc.

I think it would depend on how the tagging system was implemented. At the moment, all we have are the gear categories, and those are expressed uniformly for all artists... now we'd have a situation where an item would theoretically be in the "tribute" gear ghetto for Jimi, but could legitimately be a game-worn item for a more contemporary artist.

Are you proposing that tags would be per-artist rather than database-wide?

At a gut level, as a community member, no, I don't want posthumous tribute gear that the artist never used live or on-record sharing space with items that legitimately earned their place in an Artist's profile... for exactly the educational concerns you mentioned... but if there needs to be a way to help sell licensed tribute SKUs like this here, some kind of "tribute" marker to separate these items from the game-worn stuff would be great.

I love the new button!

Cheers for the feedback. Would love to hear more. What do you like about it specifically?

In software nerd terms: I like that you brought the CTA for each entry one level higher, without dramatically upping the cognitive load of each Artist profile.

In best-guess business terms: better traction for affiliate links ultimately helps this site and the community grow, so I'm all for it.

I love the new button!

I thought of it as being like the D20 filter only not bad sounding?

Ha! The "filter" on the D50 was a cheat, as far as I understand, they morphed the oscillator waveforms to mimic effects of a filter. Not sure about D20, but I'd be shocked if it was better than that. I'm sure this is old news to you, but I didn't come across this fact till recently myself.

I think on the FM end its actually a feedback loop where an oscillator self modulates but on the AWM its feedback loop

interesting. So no actual dsp filter emulation?

non resonant.... called tone like on a lot of mid budget digital synths

Does it adjust the amount/influence of certain oscillators within whatever FM algorithm it's running to simulate effects of a LP filter, or is there actually some filter DSP going on?

ditto. Thank you!

I own one,its sitting powered down in south philly right now. its basically a 16 bit sy22 (tg33 keyboard) .... but it has a digital filter tacked on and the interface and engine is a bit different but capable of the same basic sounds. Has a joystick too.

Everything I've read says no filter on the SY-35. Someone needs to update Vintage Synth Explorer. I'm sorry for my crack about filter being imaginary.

I was in high school from 1991 to 1995. My first “rig” was a Gravis Ultrasound MAX sound card, which had 512k of RAM or something like that for samples. I used a cracked copy of Cakewalk for Windows and drew the notes by hand with a mouse.

Drawing notes with a mouse is a timeless tradition. :D I'm sure you've watched twitch streams of young producers working in FL or Ableton, and therefore know this approach is as popular as ever. :D

The heart of my first studio? Gentlemen, feast your eyes and ears on the mighty Turtle Beach Pinnacle. I started with just this, a Japanese Strat, and a copy of Sonic Foundry's Sound Forge and slowly morphed into someone that can related to 90s-yearbook-Jim.

The reason I suggested the TG-33 is because I think most of us have a lot of analog stuff with resonant filters. Sometimes the weird digital stuff is overlooked, but I think it’s poised for a comeback.

I gravitate towards things with lots of sound design potential which is why I mentioned the TG-33.

I've studied and/or lusted after many of the pieces of gear in your arsenal, and I feel like I understood where you were coming from with your TG recommendation immediately. It is a good and much-appreciated alternative to bring up... but I reserve the right to poke fun at the gulf in timbral qualities between a Poly 800 and a TG33 regardless. :D

...and I hear you regarding filter fatigue, but if there was a version of the TG33 that also contained an analog filter... I'm pretty sure we'd all want that version even more.

Can someone tell me about the SY-35? Someone mentioned it has a filter. Is that true? I wasn’t aware of this.

Filters make everything better... even imaginary ones.

D50 type AWM sample engine plus streamlines tx81z engine that can be combined via vector synthesis, DX7mk1/dx100 type 12 bit D to A for a gritty sound. I really prefer the SY35 in the vector/FM camp because it has a decent digital filter for even more sound design potential but it has a crisp and soemtimes harsh sound with none of the 22/33's mk1 DX series skronk. Also the 35 is keyboard only as far as I know. I could be wrong though. For my purposes the SY35 is better though... but the uniqueness and versatility of the TG33 make it a winner in modules.

...but don't get me wrong. I've been listening to TG33 and SY22 demos all day. I LOVE the industrial design on the TG33, it's a dead-sexy object... you guys have put this thing on my radar in a big way... I just see it as something that would end up, for me, getting used for big early-90s jungle pads and other atmospherics... things that sound like the came off the old Aeon Flux animated shorts (to totally date ourselves here)... in other words, different scenarios than the roles a Poly 800 would fill. Thankfully, this is not a situation where I'd have to choose one over the other. :D

In ex800 versus tg33, its an apples and oranges comparison, but if I had the choice between one or the other and I did have that choice at one point, I take the tg33. I don't need that kinda accuracy for techno. But it has it.

So I come here asking about a simple, fizzy, charmingly-feeble-sounding DCO synth with a resonant analog filter, just one for all the voices, of course, but a filter nonetheless... and you guys are steering me towards a notoriously complex late-FM/early-AWM Yamaha creation that doesn't even have a filter? The nerve! LOL

Which one of your two went through a serious Skinny Puppy phase in their youth?... because when I see a very serious-looking, cold-on-cold Yamaha synth like this, and I immediately think late-80s industrial-flavored synth pop.

... it doesn't hurt that we have very similar kit from out motu 828s to our lesser known ensoniq, kawai and yamaha stuff :-)

Yeah I'm still not fully convinced you're two separate people. But I'm game to play along with this ruse. :D

He's trying to do detroit techno with it, I guarantee you.

I do, or I do not... there is no try. ;)

Honestly, I wouldn’t pay 400 for it. There are a lot of things I’d look at first in the weird module category. A Dave Smith Evolver, a Yamaha TG-33, etc.

Nor would I. Hence why I don't have one right now. I won't even pay 300 bucks for one. That's not to say it has no place. But given the choice I would take the TG33 all day. Love mine. Although it gets used a lot less lately. SY35 baby....

OK, two votes for TG-33... go on then gents, sell me... why is this the best vintage desktop/rack synth on the market for under $500?

BTW, NYCsynth, it's been really nice to have your voice in these discussions. With no disrespect to other synthing EBers who have bothered to check out the forums, it's often felt like conversations in this section are just Jim and I keeping things percolating... at least over the last year or so. Jim is awesome, and that's obviously been enough to keep me coming back, but the more the merrier.

How am I just now finding out that the Korg Poly-800 came in a desktop module?

Does anyone have any experience with these?

Any reason I shouldn't go for one if I can find a clean example for $400 or less?

He also has a nascent following.

https://imgur.com/zMpRINx

no doubt

I've yet to post a single studio photo (plants! I need more plants first!), but once I do, I know I'll want to scoot them around too.

EDIT: but I think if you have $150 to spare its a solid investment because its really not like anything else... it kinda has elements of the K series sound and I am a huge fan of the K synths

What about $250 in unused NIB condition?

I think that sounds like a pretty good idea *´ . .. and would actually save time!

Even something like a "price alert" for items in our wishlist might be cool. So if I'm looking for (example) a Polyend Tracker and I want to know when the price drops below like $540/10% off, EB could shoot me a notification.

I know implementing anything like this is non-trivial, assuming some version of it is even possible... but there is a lot of power in housing our "to buy" lists, and the APIs for Reverb and others probably allow for some cool ways to make this feature more valuable to us, EB, and retailers all at the same time.

my best friend has an XD5

we await your personal verdict on said module.